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Erold Cruz




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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep, 2017 11:36 am    Post subject: Video of knight in armor being lifted with a hoist         Reply with quote

I thought this was a myth? The guy wearing the armor had to be lifted up to a wooden horse to mount it. Is he wearing some different kind of armor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j310VVPPIRI
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Peter Spätling
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep, 2017 12:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

AAHHH NO THE CURSE IS BACK!!! That 's a kids series from Germany. The video is very old and people had no idea back then. Well they still haven't... obviously don't buy it. ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. PERIOD.
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T.L. Johnson





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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I may be wrong, but I don't think they had video cameras in the Middle Ages.

Honestly, when Mark Twain wrote about knights and cranes in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, I don't know if Twain was sincere about the misconception or, in the persona of Hank Morgan, he was just making a sarcastic joke about the weight.
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Philip Renne




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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep, 2017 1:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That video is hilarious, especially when he starts screaming from the ropes digging into his armpits, but to be fair I don't think that guy could have cleared the pommel horse in his tighty whities let alone full harness. Laughing Out Loud

Here's an accurate SILENT MOVIE that dispels all the accumulated and persisting myths of armor:

https://youtu.be/NjKbi7YUNaI?t=8m46s

almost 100 years ago this stuff should have been put to rest.
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Dan Howard




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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep, 2017 4:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

As is usual, there is a kernel of truth to the myth. Henry VIII was apparently hoisted into his saddle during the siege of Boulogne. It wasn't because of his armour but because of his bad leg and corpulent obesity. He would have needed the winch even if he wore no armour at all.
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Dan Howard




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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep, 2017 4:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Philip Renne wrote:
Here's an accurate SILENT MOVIE that dispels all the accumulated and persisting myths of armor:

https://youtu.be/NjKbi7YUNaI?t=8m46s

almost 100 years ago this stuff should have been put to rest.


Here is another video that should be required viewing. This was done by Dirk H. Breiding, Assistant Curator, Department of Arms and Armor, The Metropolitan Museum of Art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NqC_squo6X4

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Johannes Zenker





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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for discovering that treasure of a video. It's from a 28 year-old episode of "Die Sendung mit der Maus", which is a moderately-to-very educational kids' show (also very popular with adults due to usually high quality content).

No wonder they had to hoist him up, Armin (the host) wasn't particularly fit, the armor wasn't made to fit and of dubious quality and he certainly wasn't used to it.


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Philip Dyer





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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep, 2017 7:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Cool info Dan, I always thought it was because Medieval to Early Modern period Tourney armor was built to be allot heavier and was less evenly weight disturbed than field harness. Not surprising at all, Henry VIII could be in dictionary under the phrase "to get yourself go!"
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Peter Spätling
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Sep, 2017 9:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

"Tourney armor was built to be allot heavier and was less evenly weight disturbed than field harness" You still need no crane god damn it!

Mark my words: "NO CRANES" - Peter Spätling 9/11/2017
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James Arlen Gillaspie
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Sep, 2017 6:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If you were wearing that pile of junk, you wouldn't have a choice! Wink
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Sep, 2017 7:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I thought the 'screen door latches' on the greaves were rather odd. I've seen closures like that used to secure visors on certain helmets, but I don't recall seeing them used on body armor. Was that a 'thing' back in the day? Seems like buckled strapping would be more efficient, but then with one quick flick of the latch---you're out. Sooo......someone educate me here. WTF?! ....McM
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Peter Spätling
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Sep, 2017 8:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark they can be found in the 16th century. But I don't know how common they were.

Yes the armour doesn't fit him at all... that video is a real shame Sad
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Mark Moore




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PostPosted: Mon 11 Sep, 2017 9:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you, Peter. I shall have to do a bit more homework. Happy I can see latches being used on a specific, fitted suit....but on what I would call 'generic' armor....not so much. Wink ............McM
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