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Mark Moore




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PostPosted: Tue 15 Aug, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject: A question on close helms (armets)...         Reply with quote

A simple question that I can't seem to find a definitive answer to: Was a chainmail coif worn under this type of helm? Seems to me that because of the way these helms were built, being rather snug in the neck, the answer would be NO. If I'm wrong, let me know, please. I'm thinking of buying one new, since no one seems to have a used one they want to turn loose. Laughing Out Loud Thanks folks!.....McM
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Sep, 2017 4:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

No. A mail standard was possible for the paranoid, or mail voiders on the cloth doublet underneath. But an armet or close helmet is just too protective to justify wearing a mail coif underneath.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Sep, 2017 4:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, ...Thank you! After almost a month! I didn't figure there would be room(or need) for a coif underneath. I just wanted to hear someone say it and know for sure. I appreciate your insight and response, Sir. Happy ....McM
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Sep, 2017 4:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

---"for the paranoid."---Love that, and will use that. Wink Laughing Out Loud ....McM
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Sep, 2017 8:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It is no paranoid to protect one the most delicate areas of the human body, the integrated gorget or metal system to interlock the bottom helmet with a gorget hadn't been invented yet. Ian's sample reproduction of a armet had a collar attached to it, so it wasn't considered paranoid. Finally, the need for coifs basically need with those who could afford visored helmets, which quite a bit before the advent of the armet.
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Sep, 2017 11:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

"Ian's sample" ? I'm afraid you lost me there. Did I miss something? Worried ....McM
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Sep, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark Moore wrote:
"Ian's sample" ? I'm afraid you lost me there. Did I miss something? Worried ....McM
Ian Laspina, he is host of 14th century arms and armor youtube channel, coordinates with a Washington DC historical 14th century reactment society. Look up Knyght Errant on YouTube.
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Ohhh....okay. You had me lost there. Yes, I've seen a few of his videos. Thanks for the clarification. Happy ....McM
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Sep, 2017 6:17 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark Moore wrote:
Ohhh....okay. You had me lost there. Yes, I've seen a few of his videos. Thanks for the clarification. Happy ....McM

Should have been more clear in the beginning. Also, it is understandable to think it paranoid. The mail collar on the armet is tiny! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3piLpRl4QLc Also, later armets had methods to attach plate reinforcements to help withstand lances better. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if people commented on other people's armor preferences in period.
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