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Christian Short




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun, 2017 3:37 pm    Post subject: Question about an Albion Knecht for sale         Reply with quote

Fellow forum members. Can someone help me with this? I'm looking at the Albion Knecht for sale on myArmoury and it doesn't look like a Albion. I would love to purchase a Albion Knecht but I'm worried about scams these days
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Lloyd Winter




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun, 2017 4:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If it's the one posted today it looks sketchy to me also.
The pics that I was sent are of a left handed sword that doesn't look quite right.
The handle looks too curved for an Albion and there are 7 rivets in the handle as opposed to 4 in the pics from the Albion site, the guard and the nagel don't look right either.
Additionally the guy said he wants payment through bank transfer.
Personally I wouldn't touch this sword with a 10 foot pole, but that's just me.
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Christian Short




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun, 2017 4:38 pm    Post subject: Albion knecht         Reply with quote

Agreed. He gave me a Paypal address that was somewhat suspect. I did notice the knecht pics too.
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Terry Thompson




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun, 2017 5:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Going by what Lloyd is describing; If the images you received look like this sword below, it is an Arms & Armor custom piece. Not an Albion. It was sold on the sword forum intl. back in Jan of 2015 by a Jason Elrod. It looks to be a very close replica to an extant 16th century piece. I'm not vouching for the seller but I do live near them in the same state, and I'd be willing to swing by and see it in person and check condition, if you'd like to arrange it. I have no financial or personal interest in it.




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Christian Short




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:06 pm    Post subject: Albion Knecht         Reply with quote

Honestly I'm hoping this person made a mistake identifying his item. I really want to believe that. Can't say how much I want this to be a honest mistake and apologize to him. I got scammed outa a thousand a couple months ago from similar circumstances. I really want to believe that was a isolated incident
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Craig Peters




PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Personally, I would be patient and wait, even though that might be frustrating in this situation since Albion is no longer selling the Knecht. But better to order from someone known on the forum, especially when this piece is not even an Albion.
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Christian Short




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:20 pm    Post subject: Albion knecht         Reply with quote

Yes indeed
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Terry Thompson




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't blame you. When something looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call it a duck too. And in this instance the lister has done everything but lay an egg for us. 1) The grammatical error in the listing that foreigners make(this/these) 2) requesting a bank transfer 3) not knowing the manufacturer/provenance 4) one post on the forums and it's to sell something WTF?!

Just curious, but is the picture I posted Exactly like one the seller sent? (on a wooden table with a piece of leather on the table)? If so, it's likely they just grabbed the pics off of the same Sword Forum Intl. listing. Which is another red flag.
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Craig Peters




PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I just reported the seller's post. There's enough legitimate concern and doubt over what he's selling that I think having the post removed is warranted. I would hate to think someone might agree to buy the sword without seeing the photos only to find out they did not get the right sword- and in this situation, that result would be the best case scenario.The seller has no good excuse to claim ignorance here; it's easy to know what a real Albion Knecht looks like. Better to prevent anything deceitful from happening in the first place.
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Lloyd Winter




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Terry, it looks to be from the same set of pics, it's definitely the same sword.


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Terry Thompson




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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun, 2017 7:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes. Same pics can be seen on these two links from Jason Elrod's original posting.

http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=290792

http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.p...iegsmesser

Another flag: Silver Spring in Maryland is two words, not one. Someone who lives there would probably know that.
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jun, 2017 3:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I am glad to see you guys looking out for each other and making this discusion public. This is how a healthy community stays healthy. I have more comments but will save them for now. At this point I will direct you all to read the Marketplace Rules document about bank transfers and vetting listings and members. There are many red flags here.
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K. Robert




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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jun, 2017 6:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A good way to check is to ask for additional pics/time stamp. If they can't or won't provide i's a fake
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Karl Knisley




PostPosted: Wed 07 Jun, 2017 11:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello
If memory serves, that Kreigsmesser is a left-hander, anyway,if it was Jason Elrods.
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David Spencer




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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jul, 2017 3:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I bought this sword off of Jason in January 2015, it is still in my display case at home, so unless he made another left hander this one is mine, and it is definitely not for sale.
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Christian Short




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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jul, 2017 9:29 am    Post subject: Albion knecht         Reply with quote

Someone is trying to sell this on another forum,
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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jul, 2017 4:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thread selling this sword on another forum was removed and seller banned.

Picture was identified by a long standing member of the forum as his custom sword and his photo. He still has the sword in his collection.

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Christian Short




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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jul, 2017 4:56 pm    Post subject: Albion Knecht         Reply with quote

I actually have this guys cell number. His name that he was using is Hiro Pitts / Eduardo Warden. I've kinda been following him for a while and have spoken to the FBIs cyber crimes regarding him. If your thinking why post this and make him aware he already knows he's being looked into.
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Lance Morris




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PostPosted: Tue 11 Jul, 2017 7:47 am    Post subject: It's not isolated         Reply with quote

Hey guys!

For some reason I feel like there has been a spike in fraud on here lately

http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=322...ht=#322268
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PostPosted: Tue 11 Jul, 2017 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: It's not isolated         Reply with quote

Lance Morris wrote:
Hey guys!

For some reason I feel like there has been a spike in fraud on here lately

http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=322...ht=#322268


What are you trying to say? You're linking to your own post. How am I supposed to interpret that?

I can't tell if you are trying to point something out that you want me to take action on or what.

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