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Angela Lora Chapa




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PostPosted: Sat 13 May, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: I need help with identifying this unusual weapon...         Reply with quote

I have been told this could possibly be very old due to the pitting of the metal. The wood is obviously not original. I can't find any information on it and do not know where to start... Can anyone offer any insight? Age? Origin? Value? Type of weapon?

It is 22 inches long by 4 inches wide at its widest point. Not counting the part that attaches just the blade... Including the attachers it is 6 inches wide. It is very heavy but I don't know the exact weight,

Thank you.



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Angela Lora Chapa




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PostPosted: Sat 13 May, 2017 2:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is another picture...


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Angela Lora Chapa




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PostPosted: Sat 13 May, 2017 2:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Last picture... Hope somebody knows about it... I've been trying to find out for a long time.


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PostPosted: Sat 13 May, 2017 3:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The cross decoration on the blade is awfully crisp to be on a very old ax head. Doesn't seem to be a lot of corrosion around it.

If the weapon is extremely heavy, weighing so much that you cannot control it easily then that is another indication that the blade is not antique. Any pole arm or any other blade for that matter, that was too heavy to swing, miss and recover for another stroke or to block an opponent's counterattack would have been worthless in ancient times. Rust and corrosion do not necessarily make something an antique. That sort of thing can be faked easily.

Do you know the provenance of the piece?

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PostPosted: Sat 13 May, 2017 3:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Lin, I was about to say the same thing--almost. It's definitely a bardiche of some kind. It looks a bit like a Scottish Lochaber axe. If it had a hook on top, I would say for sure---but all Lochaber's didn't have hooks. And, I agree, it's not that old. Artificial aging. Interesting. Big Grin ....McM
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PostPosted: Sat 13 May, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's a Bardiche or a Voulge.. The 'pitting' doesn't look to be pitting from age, but poorly cleaned forge scale. It is a modern replica. I doubt it was ever intended to deceive, but it doesn't have a high value, under a hundred pounds/dollars.

Best,
Hadrian

P.S on the weight issue, these weapons are typically quite heavy --even the authentic ones!

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Angela Lora Chapa




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PostPosted: Sat 13 May, 2017 6:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, it is actually perfectly balanced. and it probably seems heavy to me because I'm 5'2" tall and weigh about 100 lbs. It's not so heavy that I can't swing it easily. I will find a way to weigh it... so you guys think the aging is artificial? Hmmm... and you are right about the crispness of the cross... it is perfectly balanced though...

I do not know where it is from, believe it or not somebody put it out for trash at my condos and I just picked it up and brought it home... It is rather deadly though...Quite a dangerous weapon...
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PostPosted: Sat 13 May, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ding..ding..ding! I found an exact match! Happy
http://otherverse.wikia.com/wiki/Arms_and_Armour:_Polearms
Scroll down to the image for 'Voulge'. It's the exact same polearm! Same marking! That definitely means it is a modern maker. I can't figure out who though, I did a reverse image search and came up blank. Perhaps someone else will have better luck?

Z

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PostPosted: Sat 13 May, 2017 7:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Angela Lora Chapa wrote:
I do not know where it is from, believe it or not somebody put it out for trash at my condos and I just picked it up and brought it home... It is rather deadly though...Quite a dangerous weapon...


Given that it was left in the trash, I'm not so sure it was artificial aging . . . probably more along the lines of complete neglect. I tend to be of the belief that artificial aging is done to try to sell off a fake, not throw it out. Of course, the former owner could have found out he had been duped and just threw the thing in the trash.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 May, 2017 6:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It seems the Prop house http://www.thespecialistsltd.com owns a Astonishing similar looking piece which can be rented.
Could be interesting where they got theirs from?
Here are some pics:
http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/files/Lochaber1.jpg
http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/files/Lochaber.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun 14 May, 2017 6:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Stephen Hall, I think that's the same! Prophouse doesn't make any weapons though.. one could email them?

This one is pretty close, but not exact.. though they say each is handmade and that they vary slightly: http://www.celticwebmerchant.com/en/early-bill.html

Z
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PostPosted: Sun 14 May, 2017 2:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hadrian Coffin wrote:
It's a Bardiche or a Voulge.. The 'pitting' doesn't look to be pitting from age, but poorly cleaned forge scale. It is a modern replica. I doubt it was ever intended to deceive, but it doesn't have a high value, under a hundred pounds/dollars.

Best,
Hadrian

P.S on the weight issue, these weapons are typically quite heavy --even the authentic ones!


Ah....I did not pick up on that but it is certainly a sound idea. The fact that it was apparently discarded in the trash certainly supports the idea that it is modern made and not antique.

Lin Robinson

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PostPosted: Sun 14 May, 2017 3:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hadrian Coffin wrote:
It's a Bardiche or a Voulge.. The 'pitting' doesn't look to be pitting from age, but poorly cleaned forge scale. It is a modern replica. I doubt it was ever intended to deceive, but it doesn't have a high value, under a hundred pounds/dollars.

Best,
Hadrian

P.S on the weight issue, these weapons are typically quite heavy --even the authentic ones!


I agree with Hadrian. The rust looks active, and the pitting looks like that which is under-worked/under-filed forge work. It doesn't look like intentional aging. Note that there is no pitting on the eyes or along the finished edges. They eyes themselves appear much smoother (Worked more on the anvil than the rest of the piece, filed and sanded smooth). The edges are all nice and crisp as well as the piercing. Also the sharp-edge is also completely devoid of pitting and it looks clean.
If it was several hundred years old, the patina and pitting would be much different and one would presume more uniform.
Though it has active rust on it, it shows evidence of "cleaning" probably with sandpaper would be my guess. I think you're pretty safe in cleaning it up. You wouldn't be ruining a medieval find.
It's a great piece, especially for what you paid for it! I'd probably value it in the $100-$125 range including the pole. Maybe as much as $150 if you do something about the rust.

Congratulations! I know a few people would love to have a piece like that in their replica collection, myself included.
-Terry


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PostPosted: Sun 14 May, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is an example of 'artificial aging'--done on high-carbon steel with the aid of salt, lemon juice, time, and the rounded end of a ball-peen hammer. Sorry for the bad pic. Best I can do at the moment. Worried ....McM


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