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PostPosted: Tue 13 Dec, 2016 3:18 pm    Post subject: Degen and baselard         Reply with quote

Hi All,

This is the first of its kind to come out of my shop and of a type that I have been looking at since the glory days of drooling over "The Medieval Soldier" and loving the kit I saw there. It won't be the last.

The Degen was a standard Swiss/German side arm and is heavily associated with Landsknechts, which seems to be a theme of mine of late. They came in a variety of sizes, but were often very much short swords and this of of that type.

The sword has a stout 60cm blade with a hexagonal section and a classic if delicately done upturned guard in steel. The handle is made in three pieces of laburnum with steel spacers. The top guard is also made in steel with bronze decorative retaining rivets.

The scabbard is made as a poplar core with prominent riser and covered in stamped and incised veg tan leather and a fabricated steel chape. The suspension is done with a classic woven strap and terminating in two riveted hanging loops and is terminated in a fabricated steel chape. The scabbard is also fitted with a by knife, with a ribbed laburnum grip with some file work and brass bolsters and cap

The baselard is quite short at around 18cm with a broad and thick blade in a diamond section with a prominent fuller each side and a makers mark inlaid in copper. At the hilt the blade is 8mm thick which combined with the wide fuller makes for a very strong blade indeed. The grip is linseed oiled yew and and the guard and pommel are steel with the same decorative bronze retaining rivets.
The sheath is made from two layers of veg tan leather with a woven suspension and a bronze chape.

I hope you like them and of course any questions or comments please fire away.

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The Schweizerdegen as a whole is based on two illustrations by Niklaus Manuel Deutsch, a swiss artist who had served as mercenary himself. The design of the hilt is taken from an original in the Landesmuseum in Zurich which was the closest I could find to the "slender" hilts drawn by NMD


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Dec, 2016 3:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's absolutely fantastic. I've seen the photo of the original degen for many years but honestly never noticed that the guard ends was made of metal and not of wood with a metal plate like so many others. This is a really cool detail and now that you've made it I can clearly on the antique.tique. It makes sense that those ends would not simply be wood, as they would much too thin and not durable enough for their intended purpose.

The scabbard, too... is stunning.

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Wow-wee........Those are about as cool as cool gets! Especially that baselard....I love the dark knot in the grip. A 'character mark' as it were. Gorgeous! Wink ...........McM
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Dec, 2016 7:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Simply gorgeous! Bravo! I've always really liked degens and baselards. I bet that grip is pretty comfortable on the degen...
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PostPosted: Wed 14 Dec, 2016 6:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Wonderful work as always! I have a short, slender hexagonal blade that I can't imagine as anything other than a schweizerdegen, but had not seen a hex section on one of these weapons until yours. It looks great!
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PostPosted: Wed 14 Dec, 2016 9:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm curious, how were degens held and used? The quillons you could bind with them, buy they tilted downward , meaning blades would slide instead of catch. Also seems it would hurt your wrists if held to choose to the guard. The pommel look flat so I image you hold fairly far down and use chopping and casting moves for it, by the blade doesn't suggest a dedicated chopper. Was it is perhaps griped so the quillons were side ways?
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PostPosted: Wed 14 Dec, 2016 9:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Maybe I'm hallucinating, but do I see a seam on top of the right guard terminal of the original shown above, suggesting that those were made by rolling over the guard plate? I have always assumed that those thick terminals are solid. The prospect of having to forge or file the center of the thick guard to create those terminals has always put me off that project. Now I'm wondering if at least some of them are created by rolling.
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Dec, 2016 11:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

May I ask, how old the original piece is?

I instantly thought on this fresc Happy from the 14th century.

http://www.sulinet.hu/oroksegtar/data/telepul...03_011.jpg

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Dec, 2016 11:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Such a great set. I love all parts of it, the guard shape, the woods used, the braiding on the scabbards, the chapes, the blades, just fantastic work!
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