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Markus Klopf




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PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep, 2016 11:34 am    Post subject: Any ideas to this blade?         Reply with quote

Hello to all of you!
Iīm new here and have registered at this forum, because I hope to get some informations about this blade: It somehow came into the possession of my grandparents in the turmoil after the 2nd World War. Today there is nobody left who knows anything definite about it.

* The blade is 94cm long, 4.5cm wide, about 4mm thin and has a tang of 7cm. Itīs relatively flexible.
* There are 5 fullers: The middle one is about half the length of the blade, the outer ones are about 30cm long.
* The hilt is missing.
* It was propably made/used in the Austrian-Czech-border area.

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I suspect itīs some kind of replica for decoration, maybe from the late 19th or early 20th century, and was lost in the chaos of the collapsing Nazi-Germany. So Iīm afraid this blade is not precious at all... ;-)

Does someone have any ideas about it?
Have a nice evening
M.Klopf

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Michael Beeching





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PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep, 2016 1:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry friend, but your link isn't working. Perhaps you should consult an administrator about the attachment requirements?
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Timo Nieminen




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PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep, 2016 10:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think it's a kaskara blade. The kaskara is the classic sword of the eastern Sahara/Sahel. The blade shape, fullers, and tang length, shape, and rivet hole all match.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaskara

See http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?116402-Kaskara for an example. More, including a discussion of the rivet hole: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8269

"In addition to being efficient, all pole arms were quite nice to look at." - Cherney Berg, A hideous history of weapons, Collier 1963.
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Markus Klopf




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PostPosted: Thu 22 Sep, 2016 6:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think you are right! Itīs a Kaskara!
Poor blade! So far away from home... Wink

Thanks to all for helping me! Happy

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Sa'ar Nudel




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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep, 2016 11:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not necessarily away from home!
Plenty of kaskara blades were made in Germany (as well as England) for trade in Sudan.
Although the overall appearance suggest is was once mounted as a kaskara - the rough shoulders near the tang, and the rivet hole.

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Timo Nieminen




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep, 2016 3:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I can't tell whether it's an imported or African-made blade (due to the condition). The fullers are very straight - some African-made swords would be identifiable as such even with the blade this corroded due to non-straight fullers. But others have straighter fullers.
"In addition to being efficient, all pole arms were quite nice to look at." - Cherney Berg, A hideous history of weapons, Collier 1963.
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Sa'ar Nudel




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep, 2016 4:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, the fullers are very straight - and there are 5 of them, instead of the (more) usual 3, in that blade form.
Such blades were sometimes misused for fake katzblagers.

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Markus Klopf




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep, 2016 11:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very interesting...
I tried to clean the blade last weekend and found 4 small engraved crescents. Each one of them is directly over the two short fullers.
I think such astrological symbols are quite common on Kaskaras, or not?

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Timo Nieminen




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PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep, 2016 6:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, paired crescent moons are common. IIRC, they were originally a Solingen maker's mark.
"In addition to being efficient, all pole arms were quite nice to look at." - Cherney Berg, A hideous history of weapons, Collier 1963.
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