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Ian Hutchison




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PostPosted: Wed 04 May, 2016 2:06 am    Post subject: 16th century clothing ID         Reply with quote

Does anyone know what this article of clothing from Bruegel the Elder's 'Triumph of Death' is called?


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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Wed 04 May, 2016 5:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Pieter Breugel the elder is definitely 16th century. In German these are known as a rock or coat. The landsknecht folks largely refer to them as waffenrock, i.e. "military coat". The same word is used to describe surcoats in the 13th century, and modern military suit-coats.
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Ian Hutchison




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PostPosted: Thu 05 May, 2016 1:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Mart,

I must have fat-fingered '5' instead of '6'. A google of 'waffenrock' pulls up the garment.

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Pieter B.





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PostPosted: Thu 05 May, 2016 4:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ian Hutchison wrote:
Thanks Mart,

I must have fat-fingered '5' instead of '6'. A google of 'waffenrock' pulls up the garment.


One of his peasant wedding scenes shows a man with an unbuttoned garment similar to it, you can see the square-ish front flap opens at one side.

The sleeves on this model do appear to be a bit baggier so it might be a different garment altogether

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Pieter_Brueghel_the_Younger_-_Peasant_Wedding_Dance_(Paris,_Louvre).jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6c/5f/7f/6c5f7f6b531a008ec23996d3f39828cd.jpg

http://www.jhna.org/images/Vol8Issue1/Ribouil...8-101R.jpg
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Ian Hutchison




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PostPosted: Fri 06 May, 2016 7:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Pieter B. wrote:
Ian Hutchison wrote:
Thanks Mart,

I must have fat-fingered '5' instead of '6'. A google of 'waffenrock' pulls up the garment.


One of his peasant wedding scenes shows a man with an unbuttoned garment similar to it, you can see the square-ish front flap opens at one side.

The sleeves on this model do appear to be a bit baggier so it might be a different garment altogether

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Pieter_Brueghel_the_Younger_-_Peasant_Wedding_Dance_(Paris,_Louvre).jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6c/5f/7f/6c5f7f6b531a008ec23996d3f39828cd.jpg

http://www.jhna.org/images/Vol8Issue1/Ribouil...8-101R.jpg


Thanks Pieter, interesting detail. Most of the reconstruction I see have very baggy sleeves, but I prefer the closer fitting ones.

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PostPosted: Tue 31 May, 2016 7:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Construction-wise, this is still very similar to the 15th-century coat shown in this guide: http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/cms/?q=en...e_Download

Well, except for the overlapped/double-breasted front, and the underpinnings would have been different (especially where the doublet ends and the hose starts). But if you know late 15th-century coats you can make this one.
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