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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct, 2015 3:28 pm    Post subject: Pommel decoration............         Reply with quote

My new sword's pommel needs a bit of bling in those cavities. The inner diameter is 17.5 millimeters. Any suggestions or ideas and sources?

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct, 2015 5:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

When you say bling, my mind goes extreme. So here's some extreme, but very doable options.

How fancy are you wanting to go? I could imagine some Amber looking pretty good in that pommel. It's nice warm glow would offset the cool colors of the steel and wrap. Even some synthetic ambers are still soft enough to be cut and polished with basic shop tools...but therein lies the problem as well - if you plan on using that beauty for more than just decoration you run the risk of scratching the stone.

Alternatively, you could always go with something hard like some polished granite from your local counter top vendor. Who may have a little extra left over that they'd be willing to cut and polish for a nominal fee.
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct, 2015 6:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't love pommel inserts, really, but if you go that route, I'd say something subtle and historically appropriate.


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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct, 2015 7:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan brings up a good point about historical accuracy. So, in the end, an etched and enameled metal insert may be a good option. I recently ran across a picture (may have been in one of the forums actually) of the pommel of Peter of Dreux's sword that was used while on crusade. It was the etched and enameled style I believe. Perhaps you might consider including your family coat of arms, or having one created, if you don't have one already, for a nice personal and heirloom quality touch.


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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct, 2015 7:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The sword pommel above, the one with the Arms of Pierre de Dreux (circa 1190-1250) is at the Metropolitan Museum of Art and can be seen here: http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-colle...arch/27619

It is, of course, a different type of pommel entirely from Patrick's sword, having an enameled flat face rather than an inset. Several other examples of this style survive.

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct, 2015 7:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The Champlevé-enameled and gilt pommels are also cast copper-alloy.
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct, 2015 8:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the links Nathan and Mart. It was actually on the Met site that I was reading, and glad to see that it's also had a nice treatment here in the forum.
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Oct, 2015 11:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is interesting. I don't know anything about the sword... looks to be a later period, but I don't know.


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PostPosted: Fri 09 Oct, 2015 2:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not bling per se but I'd go for a fake relic with a piece of crystal in front of the relic to protect it..
Maybe the fingernail clipping of St Whoever, or a scrap of brown homespun to pass as the robe that jesus was wearing at the time of the crucifixion or something like that
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Oct, 2015 3:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Of the items already posted, I'm partial to either the carved stone or enameled crosses in Nathan's posts. Personally, I've looked into replica coins. Many of the replica pennies and groats are appropriately pressed with crosses (which would be a prevailing theme) and come in a variety of sizes. Another alternative I like are the pilgrim coins - you've got crosses and saints, etc. - you might even be able to use a modern St. Christopher or similar if lettered in Latin and of the right size. Another choice plays off of the suggestion of a coat of arms - design a signet for yourself and have it made into discs of the appropriate size. These devices could be combined - a Saint or cross on one side, and the signet on the other. Gives a very personal touch.

A quick google of "medieval coin replica" or "medieval pilgrim coin replica" gives several sites that sell them (mostly UK it seems), and the image results - especially when leaving out the "replica" - provide great idea fodder if you want to go the commission route with someone.
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Oct, 2015 4:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello
I had my Albion Knights pommel counter sunk a bit and added two 20mm ,carved natural ruby flowers.I call her
"Blossom" ;-)




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PostPosted: Fri 09 Oct, 2015 4:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Coin replicas

www.antiquanova.com

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Antiquanova is the successor company to Armart, whom you may remember (and It won't be a fond memory) However, as far as these coins go, they make the best around and I have found them to be reliable. Their best stuff is Roman and Greek, but there are a few medieval things. I put two in the pommel recesses on my custom XXa from A&A.

If you can't stand the thought of working with these guys, try Coin Replicas

A Roman denarius might be the easiest fit for your pommel recess. It was not unheard of for a Roman coin to end up on a Medieval sword. Luckily, they provide the diameter of these coins.



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PostPosted: Fri 09 Oct, 2015 5:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Carl and Roger, very nice! I wouldn't have thought about using a coin.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Oct, 2015 5:37 pm    Post subject: Pommel decoration............         Reply with quote


It's hard to tell whether the eagle pommel is probably authentic or not.
I think we need expert help to verify it. Razz

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Oct, 2015 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Pommel decoration............         Reply with quote

Shahril Dzulkifli wrote:

It's hard to tell whether the eagle pommel is probably authentic or not.
I think we need expert help to verify it. Razz


That's a pommel from a sword in the Reichsstadtmuseum, Rothenburg Germany. Here's a full picture of the sword hilt.
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Oct, 2015 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Pommel decoration............         Reply with quote

Mike Jia wrote:
Shahril Dzulkifli wrote:

It's hard to tell whether the eagle pommel is probably authentic or not.
I think we need expert help to verify it. Razz


That's a pommel from a sword in the Reichsstadtmuseum, Rothenburg Germany.


Yup. Like most things at the Rothenburg Collection, it's likely not fully authentic.

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Oct, 2015 3:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you all for the suggestions. I've decided on a course of action and will share it when completed.
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Oct, 2015 8:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jonathan Hodge wrote:
When you say bling, my mind goes extreme. So here's some extreme, but very doable options.

How fancy are you wanting to go? I could imagine some Amber looking pretty good in that pommel. It's nice warm glow would offset the cool colors of the steel and wrap. Even some synthetic ambers are still soft enough to be cut and polished with basic shop tools...but therein lies the problem as well - if you plan on using that beauty for more than just decoration you run the risk of scratching the stone.

Alternatively, you could always go with something hard like some polished granite from your local counter top vendor. Who may have a little extra left over that they'd be willing to cut and polish for a nominal fee.

the amber idea is nice

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Oct, 2015 7:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Trying putting in brass.
And by the way, were those kind of pommels meant to have something inserted in?

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Oct, 2015 12:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Alexander Ehlers wrote:
Trying putting in brass.
And by the way, were those kind of pommels meant to have something inserted in?


The inserts will be bronze. Who can say if pommels like this were specifically designed with this in mind. However, many of them are decorated in this fashion.

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