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Ozsváth Árpád-István




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Sep, 2015 3:51 am    Post subject: Please help me id two daggers         Reply with quote

A friend of mine has recently found two daggers we couldn't identify. Any help would be appreciated.


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David Cooper




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Sep, 2015 5:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Look to be a rondel dagger (14th - 15th century ) and a ring hilted parrying dagger (16th- 17th century). I would say that the blade form for the rondel is too broad. As both have similar stamps and aging I would suggest that these are Victorian decorative pieces.
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Ozsváth Árpád-István




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Sep, 2015 9:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

David Cooper wrote:
Look to be a rondel dagger (14th - 15th century ) and a ring hilted parrying dagger (16th- 17th century). I would say that the blade form for the rondel is too broad. As both have similar stamps and aging I would suggest that these are Victorian decorative pieces.
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Very good observation indeed. It has passed my attention that the maker marks are the same, though we are talking about weapons from different ages

The primary use of the rondel dagger was to find and stab thru weak spots in the armor; a broad blade wouldn't really help there.

What raised my suspicion was the brazing of the ring. As far as I know, that wasn't a common practice in the late renaissance or in the early baroque. By an authentic dagger it It should have been forge welded.

I totally agree with you. I've also said that they are most probably 19th century wall hangers, but I didn't want to influence or misguide others.

As for a bayonet collector, these pieces are off-topic for me, so I'd really like to see other oppinions as well.
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PostPosted: Thu 24 Sep, 2015 9:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

To my quite untrained eye, they look like one-piece alloy castings with the possible exception of that ring which looks tacked on. Even the gold of the rondel's guard looks to overlap onto the blade as if painted when zoomed in using Pshop. Almost imperceptibly so, but it seems that way to me. If it turns out not to be the case, I'll be glad for the learning opportunity.


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Ozsváth Árpád-István




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Sep, 2015 9:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for your observation Berserker Happy Unfortunately these are the only pictures I have right now. I can ask for better quality photos.
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PostPosted: Thu 24 Sep, 2015 2:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The fullers in the blades look to me like they have been put in with an angle grinder, and if so then these would be modern and then aged, but I would say certainly not original pieces.

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Ozsváth Árpád-István




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PostPosted: Fri 25 Sep, 2015 6:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks guys, that's what I was afraid of Happy
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