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M Lankin





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PostPosted: Mon 24 Aug, 2015 8:31 am    Post subject: 16th century Russian visored helmets?         Reply with quote

hello everyone, I've been trying to do some research on Russian armor and helmets in the 16th century but the information is quite limited. What I want to know is if Russians had any type of closed faced helmet in the 16th century. So far, I've found that Russian armor in this period was heavily influenced by the Turks, and I've seen the helmet pictured described as an Ottoman helmet. Is this a historically accurate helm?

Any info on visored/closed face 16th century Russian helmets would be very helpful.

Thanks



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Shahril Dzulkifli




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PostPosted: Tue 25 Aug, 2015 11:36 pm    Post subject: 16th century Russian visored helmets?         Reply with quote


Russian or Ottoman helmet?
Hmmm......Let's find an expert on helmets in this forum. Wink

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Michael Wiethop




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PostPosted: Wed 26 Aug, 2015 3:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If I recall, someone on this very forum owns this helmet for Mamluk reenactments, and added the visor to conform to the rules of tournaments (risk of getting whacked in the face with a blunt sword, and all that). Can't recall who owns it, though...
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Theo Squires





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PostPosted: Wed 26 Aug, 2015 5:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michael Wiethop wrote:
If I recall, someone on this very forum owns this helmet for Mamluk reenactments, and added the visor to conform to the rules of tournaments (risk of getting whacked in the face with a blunt sword, and all that). Can't recall who owns it, though...


Yeah, the images that M Lankin has posted here are of Bennison N's reproduction Mamluk Chichak, dated to turn-of-the-16th (you can find it on 'Show us your helms' page 9). Bennison writes that Mamluk Chichaks historically didn't have faceplates. I don't know if a similar style was used elsewhere, but if Bennison's information is correct (presumably is, he owns it!) that's Mamluk, not Ottoman or Russian.

As for visors, you need look no farther than the Polish winged hussars to see visored helms (Zischage) in eastern Europe. Different styling and a bit later though.
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Alex Indman




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PostPosted: Thu 27 Aug, 2015 11:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have never seen any type of closed faced 16th century Russian helmet, not even a reference to one, in any Russian museums or books. A few exceptions may have existed, of course, but if so they must have been extremely rare...

I remember some references to Russian helmets with some form of hard (not just mail) face protection in the middle ages (around XIIIc), but they were not well supported by archaeological data either...
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Jeffrey Faulk




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PostPosted: Thu 27 Aug, 2015 12:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

History aside, I have to say I like the lines of that helmet a lot. Very clean and simple, almost Art Deco.
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