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Lancelot Chan
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Jan, 2015 7:10 am    Post subject: Hanwei Tinker GSOW and Nielo Sword Lange Messer test cut         Reply with quote

http://youtu.be/CsqvkegSRuM
I, Fion and Taku test cut with a sharpened hanwei tinker great sword of war and Nielo swords Lange Messer. Both swords were sharpened by following the factory's edge angle. The Nielo Lange Messer has a twisted blade starting from COP. So it affects cutting performance too.

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Jan, 2015 12:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think your students need to step with the cut - so far as I can tell, you ought to let the sword pull the body after it is swung to a degree, and step with the foot in the direction in which the sword was swung - to quote Master Liechtenauer:

"If you want to behold the art,
See that you go on the left and strike with the right.
And left to right,
Is how you strongly want to fight."

Therefore, being right-handed, my left foot will be placed forward, my right following; I shall strike from the right side and let the momentum of the weapon help my body along as I step forward with the right foot into the strike, while pushing off and extending the left leg. Essentially, jeet kun do for sword fighting.

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Jan, 2015 9:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michael Beeching wrote:
I think your students need to step with the cut - so far as I can tell, you ought to let the sword pull the body after it is swung to a degree, and step with the foot in the direction in which the sword was swung - to quote Master Liechtenauer:

"If you want to behold the art,
See that you go on the left and strike with the right.
And left to right,
Is how you strongly want to fight."

Therefore, being right-handed, my left foot will be placed forward, my right following; I shall strike from the right side and let the momentum of the weapon help my body along as I step forward with the right foot into the strike, while pushing off and extending the left leg. Essentially, jeet kun do for sword fighting.

Big Grin

-Michael


Lancelot Chan knows all those things, he has mastered perfect use of his hands to push and pull, and his body to generate kinetic energy. It has always been his creed that minimum movement with maximum efficiency will give best results in a fight, hence why he has developed his DS swords, long, stupendous cutters, using minimum effort. He also often tries to strike first, at whatever opening is available, all the while protecting himself.

Now where i do agree with you is that he should indeed tell his student to step and use more power, your can't learn to refine technique before you have used full power, so telling them to cut like him is never gonna happen.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Jan, 2015 10:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hheheh thanks for watching guys.

We were testing the swords to see if it's "short power compatible". So that's why. Of course we can always go bigger in the cutting motion and the swords will cut anyway. Not all swords were designed to be able to cut with "minimal effort" short power style, so this is just a test for these 2 new swords Fion has purchased.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Jan, 2015 4:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nice video Lancelot. Would you say that hanwei GSOW is a better value sword than nielo langes messer? I've been eyeballing that piece for months, it's a unique sword.
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Jan, 2015 4:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Edward Lee wrote:
Nice video Lancelot. Would you say that hanwei GSOW is a better value sword than nielo langes messer? I've been eyeballing that piece for months, it's a unique sword.


Yes, the GSOW is a better sword in my opinion. The Lange messer spotted a twisted blade, a loose hilt and inconsistent edge. While the GSOW's edge was also inconsistent, it's still better than the messer's one.

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What qualities do you look for in a sword that is short power compatible?
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Jan, 2015 10:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

1. Sharp edge (no light reflection on edge line) and smooth edge geometry;
2. Enough blade length, for too short a sword would not have enough tip velocity;
3. Enough blade presence, since in short power attacks, the swordsman did only minimal work and plenty of momentum comes from the blade itself;
4. Enough hilt length, to help gaining the reach with the single handed strikes gripping the end of the hilt only.

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What qualities do you look for in a sword that is short power compatible?

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