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William P




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PostPosted: Mon 10 Nov, 2014 4:42 am    Post subject: Cas ibera/ legacy arms gladii         Reply with quote

so apparently CAS iberia have teamed up with legacy arms to stock 2 models of gladii

http://casiberia.com/product/roman-gladius-sword/ip-022

a pompeii and a mainz gladius. the thing that raises an eyebrow wityh me is the non rounded pommel, did those exist?

and with the mainz, the blade geometry is VERY unusual, a hexagonal section blade, with a diamond section toip that is slightly thicker at the centre than the rest of the blade and has an abrupt stop just before the tip.

http://casiberia.com/product/roman-maintz-gladius-sword/ip-023

any thoughts? are legacy arms usually good manufacturers?
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Matthew Amt




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PostPosted: Mon 10 Nov, 2014 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Cas ibera/ legacy arms gladii         Reply with quote

Nice fantasy pieces.

William P wrote:
http://casiberia.com/product/roman-gladius-sword/ip-022


From what I've seen of the 2 swords actually found at Pompeii, this doesn't look anything like them. The point is too long and the wrong shape. They're still using that incorrect thick steel guard plate, and now they've added metal spacers in the hilt! Never seen anything like that pommel--oh, wait, it vaguely resembles a copper weapon from about 2500 BC from somewhere in the middle east... Mind you, there have been some new finds that I have not kept up with, but since they say they're copying the actual Pompeii swords, that pommel should be spherical.

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and with the mainz, the blade geometry is VERY unusual, a hexagonal section blade, with a diamond section toip that is slightly thicker at the centre than the rest of the blade and has an abrupt stop just before the tip.

http://casiberia.com/product/roman-maintz-gladius-sword/ip-023


Sorry, that's a completely non-Roman blade. Same problems with the hilt, too, with the addition of ANOTHER spacer in the guard.

Both scabbards are worthless, historically speaking. You can't even salvage the wood since it's the wrong shape.

Hey, look, they even plagiarized the lie from the old MRL catalog: "...it was not uncommon to find 4th century Legionnaires carrying either models." (My apologies if I am attributing that ridiculous bit of fantasy to the wrong source! I just remember seeing it there first.)

Sorry about that! I'm, uh, SURE these are finely made "weapons" and fully functional. They're just farther from "Roman" than what was being made 25 years ago.

Matthew
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William P




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PostPosted: Tue 11 Nov, 2014 2:42 am    Post subject: Re: Cas ibera/ legacy arms gladii         Reply with quote

Matthew Amt wrote:
Nice fantasy pieces.

William P wrote:
http://casiberia.com/product/roman-gladius-sword/ip-022


From what I've seen of the 2 swords actually found at Pompeii, this doesn't look anything like them. The point is too long and the wrong shape. They're still using that incorrect thick steel guard plate, and now they've added metal spacers in the hilt! Never seen anything like that pommel--oh, wait, it vaguely resembles a copper weapon from about 2500 BC from somewhere in the middle east... Mind you, there have been some new finds that I have not kept up with, but since they say they're copying the actual Pompeii swords, that pommel should be spherical.

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and with the mainz, the blade geometry is VERY unusual, a hexagonal section blade, with a diamond section toip that is slightly thicker at the centre than the rest of the blade and has an abrupt stop just before the tip.

http://casiberia.com/product/roman-maintz-gladius-sword/ip-023


Sorry, that's a completely non-Roman blade. Same problems with the hilt, too, with the addition of ANOTHER spacer in the guard.

Both scabbards are worthless, historically speaking. You can't even salvage the wood since it's the wrong shape.

Hey, look, they even plagiarized the lie from the old MRL catalog: "...it was not uncommon to find 4th century Legionnaires carrying either models." (My apologies if I am attributing that ridiculous bit of fantasy to the wrong source! I just remember seeing it there first.)

Sorry about that! I'm, uh, SURE these are finely made "weapons" and fully functional. They're just farther from "Roman" than what was being made 25 years ago.

Matthew


no offense taken, i posted these up specifically for their design to be critiqued. i knew a few things looked wierd, however i know that everytime i think i know something in this field, something wierd pops up. e.g albions fulham gladius has a nonsummetrical pommel so i reasoned that a triangular p;ommel and fluted guard was well within the realm of possibility
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