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Nick P.





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PostPosted: Sat 11 Oct, 2014 12:52 am    Post subject: Skirts as a separate piece of armor         Reply with quote

Hi everybody,

I haven't posted here in a while, but I have a few questions that I couldn't find clear answers to.

How common were (mail, or any other material) skirts/skirting as a separate piece of armor? I mean not as part of a haubergeon or hauberk, but something separated. I've seen some examples in 15th century Milanese armor, but what else was there? Was it widespread? When did it start/stop?

If you guys could post examples of armor that has this skirting in it, I'd be very grateful.
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Edward Lee




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PostPosted: Sat 11 Oct, 2014 2:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think you stop seeing them later in the 16th century. Wearing a mail skirt instead of a full habuergeon was probably a thing around Agincourt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jse_b3wbpUo

The man representing 1415 is wearing a mail skirt.
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PostPosted: Sat 11 Oct, 2014 2:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chinese brigandines (ting chia / dingjia) had separate skirts. E.g., see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Qing_military_uniforms.JPG (which might be fake brigandines, but still show the skirts).

On other Asian armours, skirts were usually attached to the body armour. Can't think of any examples of American or African separate armour skirts.

Separate legging are more common.

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Dan Howard




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PostPosted: Sat 11 Oct, 2014 4:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

They date back to the Bronze Age. The Nuzi tablets call them dutiwa.
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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Sat 11 Oct, 2014 6:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Separate mail skirts known as paunces appear in early 14th century England to be worn with pairs of plate. The 9th century Stuttgart Psalter shows separate skirts of scale.

http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4868/13164/

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Nick P.





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PostPosted: Sat 11 Oct, 2014 9:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dan Howard wrote:
They date back to the Bronze Age. The Nuzi tablets call them dutiwa.


Do you know what those looked like? Were they bronze scales?
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PostPosted: Sun 12 Oct, 2014 12:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nick P. wrote:
Dan Howard wrote:
They date back to the Bronze Age. The Nuzi tablets call them dutiwa.


Do you know what those looked like? Were they bronze scales?

Yep. A bit like the scale skirts in Mart's picture. I don't think they were meant to be worn without similar armour for the torso.

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