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Daniel Sullivan




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PostPosted: Wed 13 Aug, 2014 11:57 am    Post subject: Armet with vervelles         Reply with quote

My intent is to match an early style visored armet with a 1440-50 style Italian armor, i.e. Avant, Beauchamp, etc. My question concerns the fastening of a mail fringe to the cheek pieces. Like the idea of using leather, vervelles, and cord vs. attaching with rivets and a metal strip. Does anybody know at approximately vervelles were no longer used for applications such as this? Don't mind fudging a bit, but don't want to do something that looks ridiculous.

Thanks in advance.

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Dan
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W Luth




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PostPosted: Thu 14 Aug, 2014 3:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looking at the position of rivets/holes on armets which have mail attached to them i'd say there is a leather strip rivetted to the inside of the helmet to which the mail is attached. But please someone correct me if i'm wrong or if there is more than one way.
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Mark Lewis





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PostPosted: Thu 14 Aug, 2014 5:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The Met has two armets with vervelles. The museum dates them to around 1440, making them probably the oldest armets in their collection. The publication includes an older photo of (supposedly) 29.158.5 which includes the attached mail, plus visor and rondel, but these are apparently removed now...

http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-colle...&pos=6
http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-colle...&pos=2
http://www.metmuseum.org/research/metpublicat..._v_13_1978
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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Thu 14 Aug, 2014 8:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You've got to appreciate the level of detail available in those photos from the Met.


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Mart Shearer




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PostPosted: Fri 15 Aug, 2014 5:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The Churburg armet with vervelles is dated to 1425-1430.

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Daniel Sullivan




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PostPosted: Sun 17 Aug, 2014 8:34 am    Post subject: Armet with vervelles         Reply with quote

Thank to all for your quick response. The photos will also help with proper spacing.

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Dan
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