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J Helmes
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar, 2014 5:59 am    Post subject: Ballinderry Sword wanted: images/ measurments.         Reply with quote

Hello,

I am wanting to make a full reproduction of the Ballinderry sword . Likely, this coming winter. It is a sword that I have wanted to make for some time now. I am wondering if anyone has images or measurements that they would be willing to share with me. Happy I have the SVA book.

The sword will be up for sale upon completion, but at this point I don't want to quote a price until it is finished. I will likely offer the sword at the point where all of the metal work is finished but before the final handle is added so any interested client may have the sword finished as they like.

Thanks,

Jeff
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar, 2014 7:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://dbsirishstudies.wordpress.com/2013/09/...enchini-2/
more Google will yield other information. Rob Miller's thhread here has a couple of pictures of the guard and more.

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GC
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PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar, 2014 3:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here are some pictures from Goran Bilogrivić's article "Karolinški mačevi tipa K" (TYPE K CAROLINGIAN SWORDS). He got pictures from Peirce, Müller-Wille and Ellis Davidson.







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PostPosted: Thu 27 Mar, 2014 2:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks guys! I'm not sure if it has been covered before but does anyone know what the inscription on the hilt means?
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Mar, 2014 4:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Peirce thinks it is the name of the hilt maker. It is a logical conclusion since there are other very similar type K hilts with the same inscription. (Pics from the same article.)





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J Helmes
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Mar, 2014 3:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Oh of course I see that in the book now. Does this leave any indication where the hilt may have been manufactured? Ian Pierces book seems to indicate two of them being found in Ireland.
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Mar, 2014 4:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The general belief is that type K represent a Carolingian style. So probably in the Rhine area.
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J Helmes
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Mar, 2014 4:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Does that correspond etymologically though? Hiltipreht certainly seems Germanic to me.
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Mar, 2014 4:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Might it be that it isn't a personal name but a company name? Hilti-preht, Hilt (like a sword hilt) + Preht (similar to several words with a meaning "bright"), so basically, the "Bright Hilt" company?
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Mar, 2014 4:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

J Helmes wrote:
Does that correspond etymologically though? Hiltipreht certainly seems Germanic to me.

Yeah, that's not surprising. The extent of the Carolingian empire at its height is really large, and encompassed many Germanic tribes. Saxony, Frisia, etc...

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Mar, 2014 4:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:
Might it be that it isn't a personal name but a company name? Hilti-preht, Hilt (like a sword hilt) + Preht (similar to several words with a meaning "bright"), so basically, the "Bright Hilt" company?

I personally am not convinced by the "brand name" theory. I actually like Peter Johnsson's "kenning" theory. By attaching a word to the sword, one is attaching the power and magic of that word to the object. So hiltipreht, vlfberht, ingelrii, etc are not so much "brand names" as they are words of power or proto-invocations.

JMHO...

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Mar, 2014 5:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Robin Smith wrote:
Luka Borscak wrote:
Might it be that it isn't a personal name but a company name? Hilti-preht, Hilt (like a sword hilt) + Preht (similar to several words with a meaning "bright"), so basically, the "Bright Hilt" company?

I personally am not convinced by the "brand name" theory. I actually like Peter Johnsson's "kenning" theory. By attaching a word to the sword, one is attaching the power and magic of that word to the object. So hiltipreht, vlfberht, ingelrii, etc are not so much "brand names" as they are words of power or proto-invocations.

JMHO...


Sounds good. I was just intrigued by the fact that Hiltipreht name appears on 3 almost identical hilts. Does anybody know of other types of hilts inscribed with Hiltipreht?
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Mar, 2014 8:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm sure you'll do an outstanding job on this Jeff. I just wish I had the funds to make a bid. Still, very much looking forward to seeing this one come together.
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Mar, 2014 8:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A few years ago, I came across the Deepeeka model for $50.00 and picked it up. Horrible blade, of course, but, I liked the hilt furniture a great deal. The other day I pulled it off the wall and decided to re-grip it and scabbard it up.

Here's the re-grip so far.


Not quite done yet, but, it's re-cored and wrapped. I'll be adding some brass wire in between the center, wide riser and the risers to each side of it.

Thanks for starting this thread! I was hoping for some more info on it.

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Mar, 2014 3:02 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Jeff ,I post on your FB a publication ,maybe some specification (sorry not the time enough to read this publication)
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