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Christopher B Lellis




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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Albion pommels rust too quickly, too easily         Reply with quote

At least where I live, if you don't keep a permanent coat of oil on the pommels you can see tiny spots of rust before the day is up.

I love Albion swords, but those pommels are hyper sensitive to rust. Worried
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Karl Knisley




PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 1:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello
Thats what I`ve noticed too. If I dont keep an eye on it, i have to hit it with a scotch brite pad,now and again :-(


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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 1:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Use a paste such as Renaissance Wax and you won't have that problem.
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 1:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrick Kelly wrote:
Use a paste such as Renaissance Wax and you won't have that problem.


I will try that, thank you.
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 3:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrick Kelly wrote:
Use a paste such as Renaissance Wax and you won't have that problem.

Do you know if Renn Wax is safe on swords with silver inlay? I've been looking for something to help retard the rate of tarnishing. I find myself polishing swords that haven't been used at all, just to keep the silver inlays looking decent.

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 4:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I live in North Carolina

It is hot and humid


I have Never had this problem.

Ever.

I do not even particularly do any extra maintenance

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 5:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

At BKS we had a real problem of our pommels arriving at dealers with rust on them.

Turned out my dog would lick each pommel just once when the swords came in for packing.

Maybe Howie and Amy have a shop dog?

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 5:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

David Lewis Smith wrote:
I live in North Carolina

It is hot and humid


I have Never had this problem.

Ever.

I do not even particularly do any extra maintenance
I live in Louisiana, and have not had this problem with Albions. However, I am religious about cleaning and oiling. Unfailingly OCD about it even...
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 6:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Kerry Stagmer wrote:
At BKS we had a real problem of our pommels arriving at dealers with rust on them.

Turned out my dog would lick each pommel just once when the swords came in for packing.

Maybe Howie and Amy have a shop dog?


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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I am not OCD about polishing.

Meh

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 9:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

second.. or 5th? for ren wax.

Or learn to enjoy a nice patinated finish. Down here in florida, most of my kit has a "mid campaign finish". IE it's rusty as hell, but it looks cool once the days active rust is buffed off.
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 9:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Robin Smith wrote:
Patrick Kelly wrote:
Use a paste such as Renaissance Wax and you won't have that problem.

Do you know if Renn Wax is safe on swords with silver inlay? I've been looking for something to help retard the rate of tarnishing. I find myself polishing swords that haven't been used at all, just to keep the silver inlays looking decent.


Yes, it's safe for precious metal inlays. It's commonly used in museums on all manner of armor and arms with inlay work.

The pommel on my sword from Peter Johnsson used to rust religously before I started waxing my weapons.

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 9:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've owned 5 Albions (though no more than three at once sadly) never had this issue until my latest sword, the Principe. For some reason the pommel on my Principe seems to develop a brown rust very quickly especially around the peen of the pommel, regardless of how often I handle it or oil/wax. I am careful about oiling my swords regularly and haven't had this issue before, and it's stored in a dry place (and in the original box). It's a bit of a puzzle to me - Mike at Albion didn't have any suggestions either. I keep meaning to try neutralizing the pommel in baking soda and water, followed by a rinse off to neutralize the basic baking soda, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. This is assuming the problem is acidic in nature, and not basic in which case I would use vinegar then rinse in baking soda, followed by water...
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Dec, 2013 10:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have 14 right now, 3 of them have bronze pommel but still 11 swords in NC and no real rust issues
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Dec, 2013 12:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

No rust problems for me here in NZ and we are largely coastal, so subject to significant corrosive environments.
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Dec, 2013 3:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have quite a few Albion swords and use a polishing compound on the pommels and guards when they arrive. Maybe once a year after that. I have bought some pre-owned ones that I had to remove rust from but once I polished them, the rust did not come back. Currently in Germany.
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Dec, 2013 5:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Out of curiosity...

How do the people in the middle age prevent rust in the pommel like this? I don't think they don't have ren wax at that time yet Happy
Did they oil it (if they did, what kind of oil was it?) Or just let it build a patina on the pommel, maybe?

Japanese uses choji oil for ages; but mostly for blade protection, not koshira if I'm not mistaken.
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Dec, 2013 9:02 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This could be a whole new topic. How DID middle-ages people polish things? I don't think they had steel wool or Scotchbrite pads. Hmmmm............McM
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Dec, 2013 9:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have 4 steel hilted Albions and have had no rust issues. I wipe them down after handling and periodically in between. I use Break-free oil and wipe on and off a thin layer with an old oil-soaked cloth. My sword display cabinet sits less than 6 feet from a humidifier we run during the winter. No issues.
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Dec, 2013 10:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark Moore wrote:
This could be a whole new topic. How DID middle-ages people polish things? I don't think they had steel wool or Scotchbrite pads. Hmmmm............McM


I don't believe its impossible to think that things of the middle ages were not polished. the tools required for it are just simply a fine stone and elbow grease. even simply allowing a mild acid to react with metal can allow a polished state.

we turn to sand papers these days, but I think graphite allows for a very bright polish. I had seen a sword smith years back that used a powdered flint compound to get his mirror quality finish. it was a modern compound but all it was - was flint and a binder to hold the powder in a paste form.



for protection, on pummels and blades, I've always turned to eagle one's mag and aluminum paste. it will remove surface oxidation and has some wax in it for protection. there are also gun oil lubes that have silicone in them that when applied once the oil has dried off it leave a very thin layer of silicone behind. but once handled both should be reapplied.
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