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Radek Mac




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PostPosted: Wed 09 Oct, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Type R pommel?         Reply with quote

Hello to everybody. That my first topic on forum i hope to be a frequent visitor Big Grin
Forgive me my poor English i'm one of that foreigner who love history.

Let's back to the point. I found something what's look like piece of sword grip whith pommel. I'v done some Google search and i think it is a type R pommel. Am i right?
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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Wed 09 Oct, 2013 2:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It does look like a tang and a pommel. Could you show us the back side where peen should be?
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Radek Mac




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PostPosted: Wed 09 Oct, 2013 2:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

More pictures from top. Its look better in hand than on photo.


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Neil Melville




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PostPosted: Wed 09 Oct, 2013 4:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Certainly looks like a Type R pommel + part of a tang. Where was it found and was there anything else found with it or nearby?
Neil

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PostPosted: Wed 09 Oct, 2013 5:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

No doubt.....a sword pommel and tang. A big 'un. Darn interesting. Sweet...........More info!............McM
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Radek Mac




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PostPosted: Wed 09 Oct, 2013 9:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks all of you for help.
I found this pommel close to Macduff. There was some other things found on that field like coins and cannon balls. I will add some pictures after i will back from my work.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct, 2013 4:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

some of the lowland two-hand swords had such pommels , so that would be my first guess.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Check these threads for more information:

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...ht=swedish

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...ht=swedish

I have speculated that the long lowland swords, with their extreme grip/blade ratio, bear a striking resemblance to some of those Swedish swords. Given the geography and history, it's not hard to imagine some technological crossover going on there. I note with some interest that MacDuff is directly opposite Sweden and Norway.

Sounds like your sword might be associated with a 16th or 17th c. battle, though.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct, 2013 7:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

16th c. lowland type at right


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Radek Mac




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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct, 2013 11:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Finds from the same field. I think You might be right Sean.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct, 2013 1:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Radek.

You probably know this already but if you are detecting around Macduff any finds are protected under Scottish law.

More info can be found here...

http://joanallendetectors.wordpress.com/2012/...n-ireland/

I am possibly teaching you to suck eggs and, if so, I apologise.

Sword pommels, coins and cannon balls in a field sounds quite significant.

J.F.
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James Moore





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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct, 2013 8:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

while also emphasising Jonathan Fletcher's comment I would also add that contacting the Finds Database of The Portable Antiquities Scheme ( www.finds.org.uk ) should also be done (technically, the PAS only covers England, Wales and N. Ireland, and it should go to the Treasure Trove Scotland site... but that's not working.)- as the discoveries include coinage, that is without doubt trove, under UK Law and is required to be reported.

you could also contact the NMS:

Treasure Trove Unit
National Museums of Scotland
Chambers Street
Edinburgh
EH1 1JF
Tel: 0131 247 4355
Email: info@treasuretrovescotland.co.uk



I'd also just note that technically, its probably not a Type R pommel, as its on a post-medieval sword, and therefore not one that really falls under Oakeshott's typology. I think it may be in one of A.V.B Norman's works for the post-medieval, however.
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