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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 8:07 am    Post subject: Fischer Auction - Nice stuff         Reply with quote

Looks like the Fischer auction house is doing more arms and armor items this go around. Some nice pieces in this group.

Fischer Auction catalog

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 10:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the link! I haven't put my due diligence in to find stuff like this lately. There's some great things to see there.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 11:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This one really speaks to me.


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 11:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

very nice indeed, off to register, thanks for that!
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 3:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There's a lot of wonderful things in there. I'll have to spend more time looking through all of it. One thing caught my eye immediately - this classic shape from around 1400. I'm not sure about the pommel inset - it looks herbaceous.


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 3:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It speaks to me too, Patrick.

But my very favourite is this one:



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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Two more faves...........




Nice clean lines on this one.


Here's an interesting one, an actual training sword.


Someone here digs these things. Wink


Lots of very cool stuff there. I saved quite a few of the photos as I can see several candidates for custom projects.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Auction House         Reply with quote

Craig,
Great stuff !
Thanks !
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Some great items - has anyone ever participated in one of these auctions? (or, better yet, won something?) I'd be curious to hear what the whole process is like.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 9:30 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Original pieces always seem to have more elegant proportions and styling than reproductions.

Whether that's true or not-I don't know. But, few modern reproductions look as ... real.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 11:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Roger,

If I am not mistaken, "Stile um 1400" is "in the style of 1400". I think it's a (more) modern reproduction trying to look like an earlier sword.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 11:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Many pieces in that auction are in the style of originals, described as such or not.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Sep, 2013 11:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Is this actually real (antique)?







A rough translation of the text, with the help of Google Translate, plus a few modifications that I made.

Knight figure, 12 Century composite. Consisting of a nasal helmet, probably French: Bell with distinct midrib, inside rep, nasal re-screwed.. Feed holes. Circumferentially engraved decor: A-shaped sign with lily. Coat of mail, hauberk, covering the entire body: hood, shirt with long sleeves and gloves. Shirt with front slit, round fringe. Lower leg chausses and leather shoes. Ring outside diameter 11 mm, with rivet heads. At the neck brass ring with Gothic minuscule (probably the name of the Sarwürkers). Sword (L 94.5 cm), with belt and scabbard new: corr iron. and purified. Mushroom pommel straight, rounded quillons, grip covered in leather. Double-edged blade, double hollow ground center [I think it actually means a fuller on both sides] up to about 5 cm above point (type XI by Oakeshott). Knights rest.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Sep, 2013 12:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The mail, to me, looks more like what I would expect of 15th century mail. I have never seen a surviving grip on a 12th century sword before, which makes me wonder if this sword might be a modern fake, or, at the very least, the grip has been redone in more recent times. The helmet is also in extremely good condition, which likewise makes me wonder about its actual age.

I realize that the scabbard, shoes, and the padding under the mail are all modern.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Sep, 2013 6:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The shirt (sans mittens) seems likely to be 15th century German, with its gothic miniscule signet ring at the neck, all-riveted construction, "pent-roof" riveted area, and clear wedge riveting on the overturned brass rings at the neck. The coif actually seems to be older with it's demi-riveted construction, but may have been chopped up from something. It might be Persian, but it's hard to say for sure without a look at the back. How much modification has been done to get the ensemble to look like something from the late 12th century is difficult to say without more photographs or a detailed examination.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Sep, 2013 9:02 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

i could only get through the first 10 pages - so much stuff

i think was my favorite as i was browsing through the pages



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PostPosted: Wed 04 Sep, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Whoops, that Roman Hagenau helmet (Item #2) is a Deepeeka Coolus E after an acid bath.

http://www.deepeeka.in/index.php?route=Coolus...ayout=grid

Shoot, I sold mine for a little less than that...

I'm VERY suspicious of the Phrygian helmet, Item #1, but it doesn't quite match the photo on the Deepeeka site. The patina is too even, the condition too good overall.

Caveat Emptor, kids!

Matthew

Edit: Re-edit: Thought I had the Thracian helmet at Kult of Athena, but it's not an exact match:

http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=...acian+Helm
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Sep, 2013 11:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Fantastic link Craig!!! Thanks for posting.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Sep, 2013 11:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Craig Peters wrote:
Roger,

If I am not mistaken, "Stile um 1400" is "in the style of 1400". I think it's a (more) modern reproduction trying to look like an earlier sword.


Actually (if you can trust the translation),the blurb translates as:

sword, in the French style around 1400. Iron vessel, wheel knob with silver insert, Vernietknäufchen. Slightly curved quillons ortwärts. Leathered grip. Double-edged blade rhombic, brand. Plate 31 CHF 2'000 / 4'000 EUR 1'667 / 3'333 USD 2'222 / 4'444

If it was a repro, would they have rusted it up to make it look like an antique? That seems deceptive. Swords in other places like Hermann Historica that are titled sword in the style of 1400 always look new and pristine. Also, the auction price of up to $4,444.00 seems kind of high for a reproduction.


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PostPosted: Wed 04 Sep, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Roger Hooper wrote:
Craig Peters wrote:
Roger,

If I am not mistaken, "Stile um 1400" is "in the style of 1400". I think it's a (more) modern reproduction trying to look like an earlier sword.


Actually (if you can trust the translation),the blurb translates as:

sword, in the French style around 1400. Iron vessel, wheel knob with silver insert, Vernietknäufchen. Slightly curved quillons ortwärts. Leathered grip. Double-edged blade rhombic, brand. Plate 31 CHF 2'000 / 4'000 EUR 1'667 / 3'333 USD 2'222 / 4'444

If it was a repro, would they have rusted it up to make it look like an antique? That seems deceptive. Swords in other places like Hermann Historica that are titled sword in the style of 1400 always look new and pristine.


Herman Historica tends to over-polish/over-restore their items, unfortunately. This is true for originals and later recreations. It's their thing because their audience/consumers tend to spend more on that.

Fischer is very fast and loose with their descriptions. That sword does not appear to be from circa 1400 to me.

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