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Foong Chen Hong




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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 2:23 pm    Post subject: Albion's The Baron/XIIa = Templar's sword?         Reply with quote

For the first time, I actually notice it could be based of the Templar sword found in London's Thames river.

http://darksword-armory.com/images_site/histo...0Sword.jpg

This is Oakeshott's Subtype XIIa artwork

http://www.albion-swords.com/articles/images/...y/XIIa.jpg

The baron

http://www.albion-europe.com/imageroot/swords...A-FULL.jpg

The original sword that Albion based it off, look pretty damn close to the templar sword found in the Thames river, right?

http://www.albion-swords.com/images/swords/al...ahilt2.jpg

So The Baron is actually recreation of Templar's sword?

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Albion's The Baron/XIIa = Templar's sword?         Reply with quote

Foong Chen Hong wrote:
This is Oakeshott's Subtype XIIa artwork

http://www.albion-swords.com/articles/images/...y/XIIa.jpg


That's not Oakeshott's artwork. That's Peter Johnsson's artwork.


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Albion's The Baron/XIIa = Templar's sword?         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
Foong Chen Hong wrote:
This is Oakeshott's Subtype XIIa artwork

http://www.albion-swords.com/articles/images/...y/XIIa.jpg


That's not Oakeshott's artwork. That's Peter Johnsson's artwork.



*Slap forehead* Oh I didn't know that, sorry.

But still, don't you think it is kind of a bingo?

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Didn't peter deign most of the Albion swords?
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 3:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

P. Schontzler wrote:
Didn't peter deign most of the Albion swords?


Many are based off the surviving model, I even posted a picture of it.


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 3:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, it isn't really known if that sword belonged to a Templar. Many swords are decorated with cross pattee...
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 4:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:
Well, it isn't really known if that sword belonged to a Templar. Many swords are decorated with cross pattee...


Sadly yeah, the Cross are similar to the Jerusalem cross too...

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 4:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think most of the Next Gen line are not direct copies of a specific sword but are an attempt to capture the essence of a particular Oakeshott type using an amalgamation of various historical swords. While strongly resembling the Templar sword you mentioned, I don't know if it is an exact copy, I would think that it is not.

The Museum line on the other hand are copies of extant examples, as I understand it.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug, 2013 5:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bryan Heff wrote:
I think most of the Next Gen line are not direct copies of a specific sword but are an attempt to capture the essence of a particular Oakeshott type using an amalgamation of various historical swords. While strongly resembling the Templar sword you mentioned, I don't know if it is an exact copy, I would think that it is not.

The Museum line on the other hand are copies of extant examples, as I understand it.


So it is as close as the templar's sword I can get from Albion beside "The Templar" then.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Aug, 2013 1:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Any 12th or 13th century styled sword by Albion could be used by a Templar.
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Aug, 2013 6:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:
Any 12th or 13th century styled sword by Albion could be used by a Templar.


Yes, I'd agree with this. There is no evidence of decidedly Templar or Hospitaller swords for that matter.
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Aug, 2013 2:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello Foong Chen Hong,

The Baron is not a recreation of the large type XIIIa sword found in the Thames. But it is fairly representative of that type of sword even if it is both smaller and lighter than the Themes find. The coming Arch Duke based on the large double fullered blade that is used for the Tyrolean and Maximilian is going to be closer to the Thames sword in size and also type.

If you are looking for a sword that could have ben used by a Templar Knight, you have got some good advice. Choose any sword that is contemporary to their time period and you will choose a sword that could well have been used by a Templar knight. I do not think that the swords of Templar knights were any different than swords in general of that time. Sometimes Templars might have marked their swords with religious symbols or incantations, but so could other knights as well. Most swords would have been unadorned and I think that holds true for the swords used by Templars as well.

-I may be wrong about the general lack of special adornment, and would love to learn if there is evidence that this would have been more common among the religious military orders.

Some choices among Albion swords I would personally recommend are the Vigil, the Oakeshot, the Ritter, the Hospitaller, the Søborg or the Steward. But these are just some of my personal favorites.
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Aug, 2013 4:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ah I see, wait you are Peter of Albion?

Thanks for the input through.

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