Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Off-topic Talk > what kind of pants would 15. century Wallachian warlord wear Reply to topic
This is a standard topic  
Author Message
Boris R.





Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Likes: 1 page

Posts: 141

PostPosted: Mon 05 Aug, 2013 11:48 am    Post subject: what kind of pants would 15. century Wallachian warlord wear         Reply with quote

I am trying to complete a kit not unlike one that Vlad III Tepes (14311476) would wear.
There are some pictures on the web of what his outfit would be like in the day but they all seem ... inappropriate.

Basically I want to know next:

What kind of boots would this kit include?
What kind of pants? I am guessing not typical 15th century tight pants laced to doublet, but what instead?
His hat is well know, and so is his coat, but what about his armour? Would this be a milanese type full plate or something else?
And sword? Axe? Mace? Dagger?

All help is welcome Happy

Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
View user's profile Send private message
Boris R.





Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Likes: 1 page

Posts: 141

PostPosted: Tue 06 Aug, 2013 3:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Really? No feedback at all?
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
View user's profile Send private message
Sean Flynt
myArmoury Team


myArmoury Team

Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
Likes: 10 pages
Reading list: 13 books

Spotlight topics: 7
Posts: 5,900

PostPosted: Tue 06 Aug, 2013 8:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Unjoined hose under a thigh- or knee-length coat would be my guess. Thin, pointed turn shoes or thin high boots.

In the absence of Romanian artwork of the period, I would look to depictions of high-status Austrians/Hungarians of the same period. These images of St. George and others from that period might point you in the right direction. Seems reasonable to assume that a high-status Romanian would be sporting the finest Italian/German kit available, just like other European monarchs, but with regional touches--colors, decoration, etc.--to his outerwear and hairstyle.

Austrian artwork of this period shows many strongly tapered, acutely pointed swords with Oakeshott Type T pommels. You might see some regional variation there, though. You would be safe assuming a longsword, dagger and lance/spear.



 Attachment: 244.82 KB
7015248.JPG


 Attachment: 177.76 KB
3000013.JPG


 Attachment: 175.11 KB
vlad.gif


-Sean

"Everywhere I have searched for peace and nowhere found it, except in a corner with a book"- Thomas a Kempis (d. 1471)
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Boris R.





Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Likes: 1 page

Posts: 141

PostPosted: Tue 06 Aug, 2013 1:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Sean! So would you suggest that he still had unjoined hose connected to pourpoint? I found some info on wikipedia (for what its worth) that

"Men's clothes in Hungary in the 15th century consisted of a shirt and trousers as underwear, and a dolman worn over them, as well as a short fur-lined or sheepskin coat. Hungarians generally wore simple trousers, only their colour being unusual; the dolman covered the greater part of the trousers."

What is the meaning of "simple trousers" from a 15th century fashion standpoint?

Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
View user's profile Send private message
Christopher Treichel




Location: Metro D.C.
Joined: 14 Jan 2010

Posts: 268

PostPosted: Wed 07 Aug, 2013 6:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tepest.jpg Here is an altarpiece... Vlad is in the upper left corner... you can see the tight hose the fellow in front is wearing as well as his ankle boots.

Just keep looking for altarpieces from his lifetime 14311476

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pilatusdracula.jpg
View user's profile Send private message
Sean Flynt
myArmoury Team


myArmoury Team

Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
Likes: 10 pages
Reading list: 13 books

Spotlight topics: 7
Posts: 5,900

PostPosted: Wed 07 Aug, 2013 7:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Christopher's find is the best information I've seen on the specific subject.

See this tread for more information on the general subject of "trousers"
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...t=trousers

-Sean

"Everywhere I have searched for peace and nowhere found it, except in a corner with a book"- Thomas a Kempis (d. 1471)
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Christopher Treichel




Location: Metro D.C.
Joined: 14 Jan 2010

Posts: 268

PostPosted: Wed 07 Aug, 2013 8:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Google is your friend if you know which words to use... looking for "pants" wont work as that is not what they were wearing...

Here is a link I dug up... sorry about the Saints their a bit grusome to look at... keep scrolling to the bottom and there are a bunch of icons from Romanian churches including ones from the 15th century... which usually also include depictions of their sponsors (usually nobles or rich people who would have dressed like Vlad Tepes)

http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?keywords=romania
View user's profile Send private message
Burton Cutler




Location: New England
Joined: 30 Dec 2012

Posts: 4

PostPosted: Thu 08 Aug, 2013 6:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Found this link

http://cleftlands.cwru.edu/Sunny/Burgundian-Men-Underwear.pdf
View user's profile Send private message


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Off-topic Talk > what kind of pants would 15. century Wallachian warlord wear
Page 1 of 1 Reply to topic
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2018 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum