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Ricardo S.





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PostPosted: Tue 26 Mar, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Shark skin Falchion grip         Reply with quote

Greetings. I'll make a medieval falchion and I'm thinking of wrapping the grip with sharkskin, crossing over twisted silver wire and small brass tacks at wire intersections. Could someone tell me if this would be historically grounded? Could Medieval Falchions have grips that way? Thank you.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Mar, 2013 7:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've heard of this being done in East Asian weapons, but not in European weapons from that period. Personally, I hope someone turns up a European example, because that would be really cool!
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Mar, 2013 9:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luke Kramer wrote:
I've heard of this being done in East Asian weapons, but not in European weapons from that period. Personally, I hope someone turns up a European example, because that would be really cool!


I see Luke. Thank you for telling me this. I appreciate any information i can get on Falchions. But i know of some medieval european swords having grips like this. I am posting an image i made on Photoshop that illustrate the grip. Hope that helps. Regards.



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PostPosted: Wed 27 Mar, 2013 9:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Could you list some of the links or sources regarding the Medieval European swords with shark skin grips of which you are aware. I for one would be very interested.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Mar, 2013 10:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Phil D. wrote:
Could you list some of the links or sources regarding the Medieval European swords with shark skin grips of which you are aware. I for one would be very interested.


Oh, I'm sorry Phil. I meant the overall decoration of the grip, with the interlaced silver wire and brass tacks. Grips bound with shark skin i do not know. But i have a book with a picture of an european medieval sword with a ray skin grip. The same ray skin used on katana swords. I believe the sword could be ceremonial or something like that. But i think grip materials were a question of personal choice. I really believe a fighting sword could have had a ray or shark skin grip. As the alleged sword of King Edward III, has a hilt wrapped in adder skin. I hope i can get any bit of historical background about shark skin use. The alleged sabre of Charlemagne has a ray skin grip (the skin is under the ferrules), yet some say the sabre is not entirely european! People often confuses the ray skin used on those grips with shark skin, but it is definitely ray skin.

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Mar, 2013 10:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, this one (from hermann historica) is from much later period, has grip covered by fish skin (at least thats what the description says), so its probably not so relevant for your original question - but still its a beauty Happy


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PostPosted: Thu 28 Mar, 2013 3:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Radovan Geist wrote:
Well, this one (from hermann historica) is from much later period, has grip covered by fish skin (at least thats what the description says), so its probably not so relevant for your original question - but still its a beauty Happy


Nice! Very interesting sword. Beautiful indeed. It is relevant in a sense that it has an unusual combination of organic materials. Fish skin and ivory. I wonder what kind of fish skin is that... Happy

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Mar, 2013 4:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello, here is other one from Hermann Historica dated 1480.


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PostPosted: Thu 28 Mar, 2013 9:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Robert Mc wrote:
Hello, here is other one from Hermann Historica dated 1480.


WOW Robert, Eek! This is precisely the sword in my book! The grip is ray skin.. Do you know from what auction it came from? Thank's for sharing.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Mar, 2013 5:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not a falchion, and not medieval, but present in the Western historical record: the Charlemagne saber.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Mar, 2013 1:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Lewis Ballard wrote:
Not a falchion, and not medieval, but present in the Western historical record: the Charlemagne saber.

http://www.myArmoury.com/review_casi_charlemagne.html


Indeed! Another grip with ray skin cover Happy Not medieval, but a fine reference nonetheless.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Mar, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is a seax made by Patrick Barta with a ray skin grip. I'm not sure if he has a historical precedent for this, but it might be worth contacting him.
http://www.templ.net/english/weapons-antiquit...p#135-seax

And here is a sabre by Peter Johnsson also with a ray skin grip:
http://www.peterjohnsson.com/early-sabre/

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Apr, 2013 6:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Matt Corbin wrote:
Here is a seax made by Patrick Barta with a ray skin grip. I'm not sure if he has a historical precedent for this, but it might be worth contacting him.
http://www.templ.net/english/weapons-antiquit...p#135-seax

And here is a sabre by Peter Johnsson also with a ray skin grip:
http://www.peterjohnsson.com/early-sabre/


Very interesting swords indeed. Thank you very much. I've just contacted Patrick and I hope that he answer me.

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Apr, 2013 3:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ricardo,I do not know what auktion is this.By the way,in book by Christian Miks is ancient Roman sword scabbad covered with shark skin.So I think,this material was used.
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Apr, 2013 8:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Robert Mc wrote:
Ricardo,I do not know what auktion is this.By the way,in book by Christian Miks is ancient Roman sword scabbad covered with shark skin.So I think,this material was used.


I see. Thank you anyway.
Really? Very interesting indeed.
Yes, I think the same. This is a material that is quite suitable for sword handles, despite(as far as I know) the lack of evidence of shark skin grips. And I think we can have some certainty about the fact that grip materials were(in many cases) a matter of personal choice.
Thank you again for your help. Happy

ps: by the way, do you have any pictures of the scabbard?

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