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PostPosted: Tue 26 Mar, 2013 8:25 am    Post subject: Questions about Hungarian mercenaries in 14th c Italy         Reply with quote

While researching my paper about condottiere companies and Italian warfare in the 14th century, mostly from 1360-1390, I turned up the fact that Hungarians were one of the nationalities found in mercenary groups and that they fought in a different manner than the English, Germans, etc. I am under the impression that they were predominantly some kind of light cavalry, but I was wondering if someone knowledgeable could tell me about the equipment and tactics that they used, how they were integrated into more typically Western European mercenary companies, and what kinds of events going on at home caused the to seek employment in Italy. What kind of men were Hungarian captains? I haven't heard of an predominantly Hungarian companies comparable to the German Great Company, the English White Company, or the Italian Company of Saint George, etc., but were there some particularly prominent Hungarians in the business? I know nothing at all about 14th century Hungary, so maybe some context would help me understand.
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David Gal




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PostPosted: Tue 26 Mar, 2013 2:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In most of the 14th century the Anjou dynasty (Angevin in English?) was on the Hungarian throne. They were I. Charles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_Hungary and I. Louis the Great http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_I_of_Hungary. This was the Sicilian Anjou dynasty. Louis lead wars to Italy too, and had connections within it, so that might be one of the answers to your question.
I. Charles established first secular chivalric order in the world, this was the Order of Saint George.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Saint_George_(Kingdom_of_Hungary)[/url]
Yes Hungarian art of warfare was a bit differing from western European. We had knights and heavy armour but light cavalry had still been capt. Even in the style of clothing there were similarities to western European style but to eastern too.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Mar, 2013 1:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Would have to look it up, but I think by this time a lot of the Hungarians were armed mostly in typical western style and trained in western tactics. But still used the horse bow and tactics as well.
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Henrik Zoltan Toth




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PostPosted: Wed 27 Mar, 2013 3:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...u06_04.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-N_ATEkb3Ljo/TrWz1C2...Avio+2.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2636/4137939563_72b20fe548.jpg

The men with the white tall caps and other eastern hats and long kaftans are mostly cumans and/or hungarians from the hungarian army.

Just to compare, the Hungarian Illuminated Chronicle from Vienna, from the 14 th Century:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Magyarok-Be...Pictum.jpg


Their tactics are written in Matteo Villani's Chronicle. The most famous people who were involved from the Hungarian site, are from the Lackfi family and Toldi Mikls, he was (if it's true) one of the minor commanders of the White Company for some years. The groundconstruct of the hungarian rider-army was the "Lance". One armoured rider and tho mounted archers (in hung: "tegzes" = those with quviers=pharetarii).



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