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Henry Russell




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PostPosted: Tue 19 Mar, 2013 8:54 am    Post subject: Weapon test evidence         Reply with quote

Hey, I was wondering if anyone knew of any decent studies undertaken to examine the forensic results from a weapon wound? I'm intending to do such a test for my dissertation, and am having trouble finding something more original. So any information you guys might have would be great. I thought this would be on e of the best resources to turn to.

Also, any suggestions would be great. Essentially it would be testing the weapons upon a pig carcass, and then examining the bones for distinctive damage, which could then be matched to past and future human remains as evidence of a wound from such a weapon.

'Men should either be treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injures - for heavy ones they cannot.'
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Matthew P. Adams




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PostPosted: Tue 19 Mar, 2013 9:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Check out the last post in this ARMA Forum discussion.

http://www.thearma.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24657

There are links to facebook posts of weapons tested on pig carcasses, they probably have the information you're looking for.

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Mar, 2013 10:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

"Blood Red Roses" has extensive forensic tables and notes. Essential reading. See also the RA-Leeds involvement in the forensic study of Richard III's remains.
-Sean

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Ralph Grinly





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PostPosted: Tue 19 Mar, 2013 1:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

While it's not up to today's standards, the work on the finds from the battle of visby in 1361 ( I think) has some interesting remains. There was a fair bit of detail on various skeletons showing extensive wound damage. I can't think of the actual name of the books..but I'm sure someone will chip in with them. I may be wrong..but I *think* the books are available somewhere on-line.
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Timo Nieminen




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PostPosted: Tue 19 Mar, 2013 7:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Your proposed work brings to mind this:

Jason E. Lewis, "Identifying sword marks on bone: criteria for distinguishing between cut marks made by different classes of bladed weapons", Journal of Archaeological Science 35(7), 2001-2008 (2008).
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jas.2008.01.016

I don't think that the choice of bladed weapons used here was the best possible; why include fantasy weapons? It would be interesting to have some polearms included.

"In addition to being efficient, all pole arms were quite nice to look at." - Cherney Berg, A hideous history of weapons, Collier 1963.
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Henry Russell




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PostPosted: Wed 20 Mar, 2013 5:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks guys this is all incredibly helpful information and reading.

Timo, I was considering polearms, since I feel they are a key part of the later medieval battlefield, but relatively ignored by scientific study. Obviously swords, axes and bows have been studied intensively.

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