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Arek Przybylok




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PostPosted: Fri 12 Oct, 2012 12:12 pm    Post subject: 15th century burgonet         Reply with quote

I'm searching for 15th century examples of original or presentations of burgonets.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Oct, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Burgonets are a form specific to the 16th century (1500s). You may find an outlier or two that date to late in the century, but most books cite them as originating in the early 1500s.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Oct, 2012 12:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There are some early examples in this thread.

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Arek Przybylok




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PostPosted: Fri 12 Oct, 2012 1:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I know one earlier example from Silesia.
Crucifixion Triptych from Gać (now National Museum in Warsaw), aroud 1450.


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Arek Przybylok




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PostPosted: Mon 15 Oct, 2012 8:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...tsveld.png
Frossait, Battle of Beverhoutsveld

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Oct, 2012 11:06 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The fresco at the Palazzo Publicco in Sienna http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=26001, created before 1407, has some helmets that could considered burgonets although these may be artistic shorthand. There are also other 14C artwork often depicting Roman soldiers wearing burgonets like helmets. So there may be evidence of burgonet like helmets before the 16th C.

Reliquary of St. Ursula by Hans Memling http://www.wga.hu/art/m/memling/4ursula/36ursu06.jpg 1489 c (of course that is pretty close to 16thc) has a has what looks like a proto burgonet to me. -located background centre left and wearing a red shirt and maybe getting shot in the back of the head-

Note: I as you likely know, when dealing with any image that shows a Roman soldier, the common counter argument is: The burgonet like helmet is added to show that this is a Roman and does not represent a helmet worn when the art work was created.


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Arek Przybylok




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PostPosted: Tue 16 Oct, 2012 2:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

And the next generations started to produce such form of helmet being inspirated by those fantastic pictures Wink
In my work, I wrote one article were I mentioned that problem. This is why I am sure that there is no sense in treating representations of helmets which were very popular in using about 25 years later, as fantastic imaginations.

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Oct, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mail leg harness, floating artulation on the knees and arms and burgonet like peaks/visor. These armours look very similar to armour in fresco at the Palazzo Publicco. Without the looking at the helmets, I would guess 1370s?


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I think it is by Spinello Aretino or of the same school
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