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Scott Woodruff





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PostPosted: Sat 23 Jun, 2012 6:52 pm    Post subject: More info about XIa.1 and XIa.3         Reply with quote

I am looking for more info on Oakeshotts XIa.1 and XIa.3, better pics, dimensions, anything I can get. All I know now is what I can gather from the article about type XI in the features section, namely that both are housed in the Royal Armouries at Leeds, that both are 12th century and that one has an SOS inscription. I would especially like to get a better view of the pommels, it seems that both have the "lump" pommel like that on the concurrent? Pontirolo sword. http://www.myArmoury.com/view.html?features/pic_spotxi12.jpg http://www.myArmoury.com/view.html?features/pic_spotxi10.jpg http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...=pontirolo
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Danny Grigg





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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul, 2012 11:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Scott

There's a few pics on flickr of IX.1082 Sword (Type XIa.1 from Records of the Medieval Sword).


http://www.flickr.com/photos/8765199@N07/2284364254/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_gonz/5029345796/

I've also attached some pics below which I scanned and reduced in size.

They are from the following books:

European Swords and Daggers in the Tower of London by Arthur Richard Dufty
Weapon A Visual History of Arms And Armour (Published by Dorling Kindersley)
The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Swords And Sabres by Harvey J S Withers

I hope these help.

Danny



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Scott Woodruff





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PostPosted: Sun 08 Jul, 2012 8:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you Danny, those are most helpful. In the better pics, the pommel looks less "lump" shaped and more like a lop-sided, very rounded brazil-nut (Geibig type 14?)
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Ryan Renfro




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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul, 2012 7:31 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Scott,

I think you’re correct in thinking of it as member of the brazil nut family.

IX.1082 is actually one of the items that I requested to view the last time I was in Leeds, but they were unable to access it in the current display.



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Jeremy V. Krause




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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul, 2012 8:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

These are great pictures of this sword! Thanks!

You can't really make out the iron inlay in them, but according to Oakeshott in "Records" NISOMEFECIT and +INNOMINEDOMINI+ are on the respective sides.

A truly classic and beautiful knightly sword!
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Ryan Renfro




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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul, 2012 9:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks, Jeremy. What edition of records do you have? The 2009 edition states that there is an SOS inscription, but this must be on the back side in the current case as all I remember seeing was the circle and diamond pattern from Danny’s photos.
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Scott Woodruff





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PostPosted: Sat 21 Jul, 2012 11:58 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you very much Ryan, those are great pics and extremely helpful. My attempt to forge a pommel of this type would be doomed without the multiple views which you have provided.
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