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Julian Arellano





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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2012 9:10 am    Post subject: Info about Teutonic knights ...         Reply with quote

Hi to everyone ... Happy


I found this pic.. and I want to know what kind of sword, knife or ?? ... is the one which is carried by the retairner .
Looks like a kindjal, but what do you think?..


http://warandgame.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/iyujbuht.jpg


and did teutonic knights use choppers? like in maciejowski bible...



well , that's all .. thanks Happy

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Ryan S.





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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That looks like a type of falchion, they are sometimes said to have been thought cheap or lower quality and snubbed at by knights, but art is usually cited as evidence that knights used them as well. I am not sure if there is other evidence, but I don't think the picture you have is very accurate, the knight having no lance.
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Julian Arellano





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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2012 2:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

thanks Ryan ... any in the market??
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Bartek Strojek




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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2012 2:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There's nothing really wrong with knight without lance....

The lance from it's very nature was situational weapon, would be often broken, dropped, or generally unavailable, after all.

That said, I've never seen medieval weapon like this thing either. Looks like modern bush machete modern than everything...

I obviously have really seen nothing, comparatively, but those are my 2 cents.

Something like that would be probable for 13th century single edged sword:

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J.D. Crawford




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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2012 3:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm gonna say early großes Messer, a German weapon that supposedly evolved from falchions around 14th century...the apogee of the Teutonic Knights. Or at least that might be what the artist intended. The one depicted looks like a footsoldier's weapon or a sidearm - so maybe he lost his main weapons. But that's probably overanalyzing things.
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Simon E.




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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2012 5:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The lack of a guard kind of reminds me of this 13th Century illustration from the portfolio of Villard de Honnecourt from about 1230 (according to wikipedia). It's got a squared tip, though.
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Y. Perez





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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2012 6:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

At first glance it looks like a Falchion. Then again artist take liberties to show of their styles.
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Julian Arellano





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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I found a pic , something like this... amazing Happy is it 36" aprox??


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Ryan S.





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PostPosted: Mon 14 May, 2012 10:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bartek Strojek wrote:
There's nothing really wrong with knight without lance....

The lance from it's very nature was situational weapon, would be often broken, dropped, or generally unavailable, after all.

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and knights didn't always fight on horses either, but if you want to show what a full equipped knight looked like a lance would be nice. Also, Teutonic Knights (at least the RitterBrudern) weren't suppose to wear their armorial bearings (not that they never did), but they are almost always depicted in art wearing white surcoats and mantles. In this picture the knight wears the Teutonic cross more like a badge (the same way and Englishman might wear the cross of St. George), suggesting he is a Prussian vassal or volunteer knight, or the invention of a modern artist. I don't really know, but that could mean the retainer's sword is not precisely based on a historical object.
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