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J. Hargis




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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: FaganArms, authentic weapons from history         Reply with quote

I don't know how many of you have seen this site, if you haven't you're certainly in for a treat.
Want that long sought after Saxon spear head ca. 900-1000 AD? No problem, you got it and then some.

FaganArms
Antique Arms, Armour, and Related Itrems

at:
http://www.faganarms.com/index.aspx

FaganArms has a great variety of authentic weapons that are offered for sale.
Categories include:
European Weapons & Armor
American Weapons & Related
Indopersian Weapons & Armor
Oriental
Viking Artifacts
and more.

Have a look and enjoy.

Jon

examples:
A FINE GERMAN RAPIER C.1660, for a mere $3,400.00

or:
A GERMAN MORION C.1580-1600, only: $6,600.00

plus:
ENGLISH CUT STEEL HILT SMALLSWORD C.1810. Sold, thankfully

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Bartek Strojek




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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Some fascinating items here, thanks for sharing.

I really hope some museums will take opportunity... Eek! Measurements and more precise dating etc. would be great.

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Glen A Cleeton




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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr, 2012 5:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Fagan is very easy to work with and I am a buyer. I got my generic sabre from them at a fair price. Be prepared for price shock though and in some diligent looking about, you can often find the same for less. I still get regular email and paper catalogs after that purchase some years ago. The site used to be a pita to browse but has been streamlined with lots of pictures

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr, 2012 12:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Agreed with Glen about the price shock. I've always found Fagan to be much more expensive for items that can be found much cheaper elsewhere. Also, I've had some friends who had bad experiences with Fagan's return policy on items not sold as advertised, so buyer beware.

In general, I haven't had a personal issue with them, but I've only purchased smaller ticket items from them in the past.

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William P




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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr, 2012 1:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

the one question i have about sites like this is in relation to the much more ancient stuff like the viking spearhads, iron age celtic swords, viking shield bosses etc i cant help but wonder 'why the hell isnt this in a museum, we have so little info on some aspects of the viking world and we're flitting these items away to private buyers. are these items studied and catalogued first before being sold?
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J. Hargis




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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr, 2012 1:17 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

William P wrote:
the one question i have about sites like this is in relation to the much more ancient stuff like the viking spearhads, iron age celtic swords, viking shield bosses etc i cant help but wonder 'why the hell isnt this in a museum, we have so little info on some aspects of the viking world and we're flitting these items away to private buyers. are these items studied and catalogued first before being sold?

I thought much of the same. I assume that Fagan has accredited scholars and researchers working for them. Indeed, it would seem that what I perceive as very rare items, some not so rare I'm sure, would warrant a stable home where they could be placed in context with other pieces of their era. Having these objects available for sale on the internet has me wondering if perhaps the rarity is not as great as we think. I do find it odd that I can 'add to cart' a ring from ancient Greece. Surprised

Jon

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Paul Hansen




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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

William P wrote:
the one question i have about sites like this is in relation to the much more ancient stuff like the viking spearhads, iron age celtic swords, viking shield bosses etc i cant help but wonder 'why the hell isnt this in a museum, we have so little info on some aspects of the viking world and we're flitting these items away to private buyers. are these items studied and catalogued first before being sold?


Without saying anything about Fagan Arms, with whom I've never dealt personally, there are a few reasons:

1) Most of the stuff sold through antique dealers is not THAT rare. Post 16th C swords in good condition are pretty common, (as evidenced by their price tag by the way). And museum depots are literally chock full of excavated swords of earlier periods, which due to a lack of manpower are never restored or documented.

2) For museums and archaeologists only items with a clear provenance (e.g. found as part of a scientific excavation) are interesting. The antique market on the other hand is flooded with items without provenance, such as unofficially excavated / looted artifacts, or even replica's. I don't intend to paint antique dealers as criminals or untrustworthy people, as they may also be unaware of the provenance of their items, but the fact remains that such items are not really suitable for serious archaeological study.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr, 2012 10:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Antique dealers are largely in the business to make money. They are, after all, a business. They have no duty to direct items to a museum. Whether selling an item via consignment or via purchase/resale, they are trying to bring in as much as possible. It's business.

On top of that, many museums already have more items than they can display. Because of the conditions of the purchase/bequest/acquisition, they can't always get rid of items that are unsuitable or proven false.

It would be nice for some of the gems of the private collection world to end up in a museum. Some will, of course, through bequests and gifts. But many won't because the collector paid handsomely for an item and usually wants to recoup their investment.

Happy

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