Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > Albion Knight photo request Reply to topic
This is a standard topic Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next 
Author Message
Paul B.G




Location: Victoria, Australia
Joined: 01 May 2011
Likes: 2 pages

Posts: 140

PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012 2:03 pm    Post subject: Albion Knight photo request         Reply with quote

If you can, can you please post a photo of the tip of your knight so I can compare it to mine as follows;
I don’t know but to me mine new knight tip looks to be more rounded and the blade is 79cm where it should be 80cm?





A successful marriage requires falling in love many times, always with the same person

O====[::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and tho’
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

—Alfred Lord Tennyson, Ulysses
View user's profile Send private message
Phil D.




Location: Texas
Joined: 23 Sep 2003
Reading list: 56 books

Posts: 590

PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012 2:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You can see pics and review here:

http://www.myArmoury.com/review_alb_knight.html

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world." -- Louis Pasteur

"A gentleman should never leave the house without a sharp knife, a good watch, and great hat."
View user's profile Send private message
Paul B.G




Location: Victoria, Australia
Joined: 01 May 2011
Likes: 2 pages

Posts: 140

PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012 2:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Phil D. wrote:
You can see pics and review here:

http://www.myArmoury.com/review_alb_knight.html


Thanks Phil, yea id had a look at those and the ones on Albions site, there isnt a close up shot but the one shown do have more of a pointed tip.

Given my is 1cm shorter than it should be, it looks like the tip has been reshapped?

A successful marriage requires falling in love many times, always with the same person

O====[::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and tho’
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

—Alfred Lord Tennyson, Ulysses
View user's profile Send private message
Matt Corbin




Location: U.S.A.
Joined: 16 Jan 2004
Likes: 9 pages
Reading list: 12 books

Posts: 334

PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Albion Europe has some pretty good pictures on their Flickr page:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/albioneurope/sets/72157627547078364/

“This was the age of heroes, some legendary, some historical . . . the misty borderland of history where fact and legend mingle.”
- R. Ewart Oakeshott
View user's profile Send private message
Matt Corbin




Location: U.S.A.
Joined: 16 Jan 2004
Likes: 9 pages
Reading list: 12 books

Posts: 334

PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012 5:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

And from the DBK Custom Swords website:




“This was the age of heroes, some legendary, some historical . . . the misty borderland of history where fact and legend mingle.”
- R. Ewart Oakeshott
View user's profile Send private message
Matt Corbin




Location: U.S.A.
Joined: 16 Jan 2004
Likes: 9 pages
Reading list: 12 books

Posts: 334

PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012 5:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

And finally Cool

Check KOA as they have some decent Knight pics

http://kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=ANS4...ight+Sword

The angle is a little different on each of the pictures I've found. Yours looks pretty representative of the model though. Guess if you're really concerned you could contact Albion about it. It's a handmade object though and is bound to have some variation.

“This was the age of heroes, some legendary, some historical . . . the misty borderland of history where fact and legend mingle.”
- R. Ewart Oakeshott
View user's profile Send private message
Paul B.G




Location: Victoria, Australia
Joined: 01 May 2011
Likes: 2 pages

Posts: 140

PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012 2:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Guys I appreciate all your inputs.

Over at SBG a member posted some good shots of his tip which I cut up and put next to mine, mine is in the middle.

Whilst mine doesn’t quite have as defined a point, I feel its more of a hand forged varance factor. I think im ok with it now, it was just all of the points I was seeing in the photos of Knights all had much more defined points compaired to mine, and with the 1cm diference it got me thinking. The points on the pics from BDK are really defined.

Thanks again


A successful marriage requires falling in love many times, always with the same person

O====[::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and tho’
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

—Alfred Lord Tennyson, Ulysses
View user's profile Send private message
Paul B.G




Location: Victoria, Australia
Joined: 01 May 2011
Likes: 2 pages

Posts: 140

PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012 2:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

But still mine is not a good example of an Albion Knight tip.
A successful marriage requires falling in love many times, always with the same person

O====[::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and tho’
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

—Alfred Lord Tennyson, Ulysses
View user's profile Send private message
Luka Borscak




Location: Croatia
Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Likes: 7 pages

Posts: 2,229

PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It is not important, but I would be more irritated by a loss of a 1cm than by the shape of a tip... Which does look like it was somehow messed during the grinding and than slightly reprofiled.
View user's profile Send private message
Jeremy V. Krause




Location: Buffalo, NY.
Joined: 20 Oct 2003
Likes: 1 page
Reading list: 1 book

Spotlight topics: 1
Posts: 1,499

PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012 9:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Paul,

I doubt this is much help but I like your knight's tip profile better than the others posted. Happy
View user's profile Send private message
Paul Watson




Location: Upper Hutt, New Zealand
Joined: 08 Feb 2006

Posts: 391

PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012 11:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Paul I no longer own a Knight but the tip of mine was as identical to yours as two separate hand made peices could be. From recollection my blade was 80cm give or take a mm or two. It is clear your point differs from those you posted but the DBK photos are at an angle that greatly effects the appearance
I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, but that which it protects. (Faramir, The Two Towers)
View user's profile Send private message
Jean Thibodeau




Location: Montreal,Quebec,Canada
Joined: 15 Mar 2004
Likes: 50 pages
Reading list: 1 book

Spotlight topics: 5
Posts: 8,177

PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012 8:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jeremy V. Krause wrote:
Hi Paul,

I doubt this is much help but I like your knight's tip profile better than the others posted. Happy


Very robust tip when rounded and really effective making devastating tip cuts with the last 3" to 4" of blade.

Doesn't make much difference in the thrust either against an un-armoured opponent.

You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
View user's profile Send private message
Paul B.G




Location: Victoria, Australia
Joined: 01 May 2011
Likes: 2 pages

Posts: 140

PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012 8:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks guys, I shot an email off to Albion yesterday to ask there opinion,

Cheers

A successful marriage requires falling in love many times, always with the same person

O====[::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and tho’
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

—Alfred Lord Tennyson, Ulysses
View user's profile Send private message
Paul Watson




Location: Upper Hutt, New Zealand
Joined: 08 Feb 2006

Posts: 391

PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012 9:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jean Thibodeau wrote:
Jeremy V. Krause wrote:
Hi Paul,

I doubt this is much help but I like your knight's tip profile better than the others posted. Happy


Very robust tip when rounded and really effective making devastating tip cuts with the last 3" to 4" of blade.

Doesn't make much difference in the thrust either against an un-armoured opponent.


I couldn't agree more with this. The end of these blades are so thin tip cuts would be horrendously effective and a slightly broader surface should only help this. Moreover the thrusting ability of the sword would be of a nature that a slightly broader tip should not be detrimental.

I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, but that which it protects. (Faramir, The Two Towers)
View user's profile Send private message
Paul B.G




Location: Victoria, Australia
Joined: 01 May 2011
Likes: 2 pages

Posts: 140

PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012 11:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Paul Watson wrote:
Jean Thibodeau wrote:
Jeremy V. Krause wrote:
Hi Paul,

I doubt this is much help but I like your knight's tip profile better than the others posted. Happy


Very robust tip when rounded and really effective making devastating tip cuts with the last 3" to 4" of blade.

Doesn't make much difference in the thrust either against an un-armoured opponent.


I couldn't agree more with this. The end of these blades are so thin tip cuts would be horrendously effective and a slightly broader surface should only help this. Moreover the thrusting ability of the sword would be of a nature that a slightly broader tip should not be detrimental.


Thanks guys, honestly I agree, it is a more robust tip and as such would be more effective with tip cuts, and may even add to the longevity of the sword.

I guess what I was questioning was, is this how the tip is supposed to be on an Albion Knight? And what of the 1cm difference in blade length? Given it is hand finished, is this variance in tip finishing and length to be expected?

A successful marriage requires falling in love many times, always with the same person

O====[::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and tho’
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

—Alfred Lord Tennyson, Ulysses
View user's profile Send private message
Jonathon Janusz





Joined: 20 Nov 2003

Posts: 467

PostPosted: Sun 11 Mar, 2012 8:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm digging out behind cobwebs in my brain on this one, but I thought I remembered a long while back that Albion revised the grind on the Knight tip slightly to the broader/more rounded version (like yours) fairly early in production as compared to the sharper/more pointed tip in some of the other photos. . . something about making the tip more durable I want to remember. . . kind of like the Regent blade went through a few minor revisions.

Albion, of course, will give you the best answer and I could (as likely as not) be completely wrong. . . so, "for what it is worth", and all that. . . Happy

. . . and there are going to variations due to the final result being a hand-done process, slight variations to be sure, but still each will be just a little bit different (unique is the better word). Most easy to start to notice if you get the chance to handle multiple examples of the same sword model. A few years ago, on one or two models, I could almost tell you who in the shop did the final grind just by picking one up and eyeballing it - each craftsman/artist puts their own little "signature" on each one when, if you have a pile of them to examine, you can start to see consistency in the variations, if that makes any sense,

Kinda fun to remember now that I think about it. Thanks!
View user's profile Send private message
Eric G.




Location: Arizona
Joined: 08 Feb 2011
Likes: 3 pages
Reading list: 5 books

Posts: 249

PostPosted: Sun 11 Mar, 2012 6:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Paul B.G wrote:

Whilst mine doesn’t quite have as defined a point, I feel its more of a hand forged varance factor. I think im ok with it now


Not trying to be particular, but Albion doesn't hand forge them. They use a CNC machine. I am pretty sure that it's a quality control thing. It is most likely that someone ground the tip a tad too much at one point. Those belt grinders can take off material quick if you're not careful.

I'm glad that you're ok with it =)

Here's a video on how Albion makes their swords. If you haven't seen it I'll be you enjoy it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru-0GwYGUzY

Eric Gregersen
www.EricGregersen.com
Knowledge applied is power.
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Paul B.G




Location: Victoria, Australia
Joined: 01 May 2011
Likes: 2 pages

Posts: 140

PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2012 6:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Guys,

Thanks again for your input, I got the good work back from Mike at Albion regarding the shape of the tip and the 1cm discrepancy in blade length, “it is within our specs”, and there is going to be some differences depending on which person does the grinding etc.

It’s not that big an issue, as I said I feel it’s more of a hand forging (meaning grinding Happy ) factor. As ever I always have high expectations Wink

Cheers

Paul

A successful marriage requires falling in love many times, always with the same person

O====[::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and tho’
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

—Alfred Lord Tennyson, Ulysses
View user's profile Send private message
Phil D.




Location: Texas
Joined: 23 Sep 2003
Reading list: 56 books

Posts: 590

PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2012 7:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In my opinion,I am disappointed in their answer.As a customer,you purchase the swords based on their specs and pictures.It is not for you to assume any variances(hence the cost).They should state such possible discrepancies in lengths and points clearly(it shouldn't be "within their specs" after they take your money)...that is quite a bit of money ,especially w/international shipping,to spend on the expectation of a sword based on a pic that may not be what you receive.After all,aren't there a few posts about Darksword for similar issues
"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world." -- Louis Pasteur

"A gentleman should never leave the house without a sharp knife, a good watch, and great hat."
View user's profile Send private message
Paul Watson




Location: Upper Hutt, New Zealand
Joined: 08 Feb 2006

Posts: 391

PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2012 8:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Phil I am pretty sure their website makes reference to variances. You just need to look at their pommels, grips etc to see many examles of this. All my Albions have had variances, but no flaws that I considered unnaceptable. For example my Knecht has a POB about 2cm further out than syayed but I have it on good authority that this is not detrimental to the swords handling and certainly well within historical examples
.

I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, but that which it protects. (Faramir, The Two Towers)
View user's profile Send private message


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > Albion Knight photo request
Page 1 of 3 Reply to topic
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2018 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum