Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > Arms and armour of Mississippian/Moundbuilder cultures Reply to topic
This is a standard topic  
Author Message
John Santos




Location: Northampton,MA
Joined: 23 Dec 2011
Likes: 4 pages

Posts: 3

PostPosted: Wed 28 Dec, 2011 3:33 pm    Post subject: Arms and armour of Mississippian/Moundbuilder cultures         Reply with quote

Hello,

My name is John, I am from western Massachusetts...I am interested in primitive technology, history, and anthropology. I also do living history as a hobby and am researching doing a portrayal of a Native person at the time of De Soto's "excursions" through the southeast.....I am trying to find info on the weapons and armour used by the Native people and the Spanish during this time period.....If anyone else is interested in this topic, please let me know...Thank You...
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
R Ashby





Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Likes: 6 pages

Posts: 103

PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec, 2011 4:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I studied archaeology under David Halley and Charles Hudson MANY years ago, and their focus was on these people.

This is all based on my very foggy memory: From their remains bows figured big in their arsenal, and the creation of arrow heads kept them pretty busy, considering how many half-made ones you find in a village. Blow guns were also used, as well as pecked stone axes, flint knives and atlatls. Spears/lances as well. I don't know about clubs, but presumably so. From memory atlatl may have figured more into the arsenal of the SE tribes I studied than arrows, but this could also be because the more robust points of atlatl darts survived better than arrow heads, or because they were using arrows without heads.

As for armor- I'm unfamiliar with any. Check the sources below.

Remember that in general the SE Indians in the time of Desoto would have had rigid social castes, and that there is some evidence for professional specialization among them. Some of the highest class individuals may not have ever walked- they might have been carried everywhere!

There are three accounts by people who accompanied DeSoto, and these have a lot of information in them. They are freely available on the Internet. Also, I strongly suggest picking up the outstanding book The Southeastern Indians by Charles M Hudson (1976) if you can find it. I've got a Time Life book that I used as a textbook in a Master's Level course, believe it or not, and it has outstanding general information about American Indians in general. From memory it is called America's Fascinating Indian Heritage. I highly recommend it as well.
View user's profile Send private message
A. Spanjer




Location: USA
Joined: 26 Apr 2009

Posts: 242

PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec, 2011 6:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I can't recommend the book "Sun Circles and Human Hands" enough. It's a bit old but it's the best book I've seen on the Southeastern tribes.

I don't have time right now, but I'll get my books out and see what I can find later today or tomorrow.

Na sir 's na seachain an cath.
View user's profile Send private message
John Santos




Location: Northampton,MA
Joined: 23 Dec 2011
Likes: 4 pages

Posts: 3

PostPosted: Thu 29 Dec, 2011 9:26 am    Post subject: Thanks guys.....         Reply with quote

For the info...i actually do have a copy of Mr Hudsons book somewhere in my collection......I will go out to find the other sources you mentioned......
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Benjamin H. Abbott




Location: New Mexico
Joined: 28 Feb 2004

Spotlight topics: 1
Posts: 1,192

PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2011 7:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Garcilaso de la Vega wrote that the Amerindians de Soto and company encountered preferred the bow above all else but were familiar with a wide variety of weapons: pikes, lances, darts (dardos), partisans (partesanas), two-handed swords (montante), slings, clubs, and so on. It's unclear exactly what this means, as I doubt they had partisans made of steel or wielded in the Italian fashion!
Read my historically inspired fantasy fiction in here. I walk along a winding path set by Ludovico Ariosto, William Morris, J. R. R. Tolkien, and Ursula Le Guin.

Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising
I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing.
To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking:
Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
John Santos




Location: Northampton,MA
Joined: 23 Dec 2011
Likes: 4 pages

Posts: 3

PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2011 9:11 am    Post subject: Slings?         Reply with quote

I wasn't sure on the use of slings or darts......interesting...I plan sometime hopefully in the not too distant future to test some Native weapons on period European armour....helmets, breast plates, maybe some mock up padded stuff....and make a video....---john


Also found this website.....info based on period accounts...some of it repeats what has already been stated

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmamcrk4/pkt2.html
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Paul Hansen




Location: The Netherlands
Joined: 17 Mar 2005
Likes: 5 pages

Posts: 683

PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2011 9:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Benjamin H. Abbott wrote:
It's unclear exactly what this means, as I doubt they had partisans made of steel or wielded in the Italian fashion!
Bernal Díaz del Castillo also wrote about the Aztecs wielding two-handed swords (I'm not sure about the term he used in Spanish). It's supposed to indicate the maquahuitl.

I guess it's normal to identify items you are not exactly familiar with, with a similar item that you are familiar with.
View user's profile Send private message
Benjamin H. Abbott




Location: New Mexico
Joined: 28 Feb 2004

Spotlight topics: 1
Posts: 1,192

PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2011 3:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Paul Hansen wrote:
Bernal Díaz del Castillo also wrote about the Aztecs wielding two-handed swords (I'm not sure about the term he used in Spanish). It's supposed to indicate the maquahuitl.

I guess it's normal to identify items you are not exactly familiar with, with a similar item that you are familiar with.


Yes, Bernal Díaz used the word "montante" for the two-handed version of the maquahuitl. The Amerindians de Soto encountered must have employed something similar on occasion. The account from de la Vega includes no examples of Amerindian montantes or partisans as I recall, but Amerindian warriors wielded staves and clubs to great effect at various points in the narrative.

Read my historically inspired fantasy fiction in here. I walk along a winding path set by Ludovico Ariosto, William Morris, J. R. R. Tolkien, and Ursula Le Guin.

Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising
I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing.
To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking:
Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Romulus Stoica




Location: Hunedoara, Transylvania, Romania
Joined: 26 Oct 2006

Posts: 124

PostPosted: Sat 31 Dec, 2011 7:10 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Maybe this would be of some help:
Primitive American armor (1895) by Hough, Walter, 1859-1935
link to free e-book
http://www.archive.org/details/primitiveamer00hougrich
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > Arms and armour of Mississippian/Moundbuilder cultures
Page 1 of 1 Reply to topic
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2018 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum