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Gregory J. Liebau




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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov, 2011 10:21 am    Post subject: 13th century Bardiches?         Reply with quote

Hello folks,

I came across an interesting illustration that apparently dates to the late 13th century. The image was discovered on a Spanish website and no providence was given, but the armor and surcoats worn by the figures and the style of the illustration's decorative background strongly suggest the date given.

What's weird is that two of these fellows are clearly wielding bardiches! Is there evidence of these weapons being used as early as the 1200s? Not to mention in continental Europe, which seems to be the origin of the image (it looks like a French illustration). Very interested to hear some informed opinions... Cheers!

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Bartek Strojek




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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov, 2011 11:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

They were pretty probably even earlier, in the Rus and further east, though, and possibly in surrounding lands of general Slavic ethnos. And certainly from the XIIIth century onwards.

http://www.freha.pl/index.php?showtopic=1226


As far as late 1200's to 14th century goes, it's pretty well documented in the Rus, as far as I recall.

They begin to be visible in art though, although one may argue if it's more of bardiche, or a voulge. Wink


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Roderick Stacey




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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov, 2011 12:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The Mainz Gospels 1250, also has depictions of Bardiches.

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Jean Thibodeau




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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov, 2011 2:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Or maybe Sparth Axes ? These do seem very similar in nature and attachment to the hafts.

The more evolved Bardiches seem to have more scalloped curves on the their axe blades backs while the Sparth Axes more like very wide/long bladed Danish Axes with the bottom horn reaching the haft and bolted on.

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Roderick Stacey




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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Psalter-Hours of Guiluys de Boisleux. Arras, France, 1243-1246 has a great depiction of what is Bardiche, attached at the haft. Its the guy at the top of the image.

I thought that the Sparth axe is a much larger dane axe, such as the Holkham bible 1320-1350.



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Gregory J. Liebau




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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov, 2011 3:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Most excellent! Thank you for the images, gentlemen. The bardiche has always been a weapon of admiration for me, but as a reenactor I've never known a reason to buy one, considering I study and accumulate German articles, mainly. This has inspired me, so I know what's at the top of my custom list! Should look good with mail...

-Gregory
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Thomas R.




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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov, 2011 4:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Okay, you guys got me in... Big Grin where to order a blunt bardiche, suitable for some sparring???

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Roderick Stacey




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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov, 2011 4:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is the one that I have made myself. The leather strips didn't withstand much impact, so I am going to bind the blade to the haft with some rawhide.

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Foong Chen Hong




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PostPosted: Mon 12 Aug, 2013 1:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello, I want to make one myself.

Does using a 4.5 mm 1045 carbon steel plate is good choice?

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