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Hadrian Coffin
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Nov, 2011 10:46 pm    Post subject: 120 Roman Shoes found in UK         Reply with quote

Hello,

I haven't seen this posted and thought some of you may be interested.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/...y-science/

Cheers!

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Dan Howard




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PostPosted: Mon 07 Nov, 2011 2:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yet another pile of Roman leather artefacts to add to the already massive stack that still doesn't include any pieces of leather armour.* Evil


* Dura Europos being the sole exception.
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Nov, 2011 4:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dan: "Dura Europos being the sole exception."

Ah, but could the exception prove the rule?


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PostPosted: Mon 07 Nov, 2011 7:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ha, spit out that bitter pill, Dan! Did you notice the comment at the bottom of the page asking if there was a peer-reviewed publication, yet? Sure, come back in about 10 years... Shoes are cool, though, so it's neat to see more of them show up.

Matthew
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Nov, 2011 11:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

"SOLE exception" Laughing Out Loud
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Nov, 2011 11:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Paul Mortimer wrote:
Dan: "Dura Europos being the sole exception."

Ah, but could the exception prove the rule?


Paul

In Syria maybe. Not Europe.
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Sam Gordon Campbell




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PostPosted: Mon 07 Nov, 2011 4:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dan Howard wrote:
Yet another pile of Roman leather artefacts to add to the already massive stack that still doesn't include any pieces of leather armour.* Evil


* Dura Europos being the sole exception.


I see what you did there Dan. Big Grin

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Nov, 2011 7:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mr. Dan Howard,

I haven't read through the entire lengthy leather armor debate thread yet, but I was wondering what your thoughts might be about the article of apparel the Sutton Hoo shoulder clasps must have been attached to. Armor of some sort? If not leather, then textile? Or perhaps not armor at all? The series of loops on the back of these pieces suggests they were stitched to something, so I assume from this and from what I have read either textile or leather and thought I would inquire what your thoughts were about this (if they are to be found in another thread already, then a link would be appreciated, if possible).

Thanks in advance for your opinions Happy

Edit: Oh yes, since this question is totally off the topic of this thread (the shoes) feel free to PM or anything if inclined. Probably should have PM-ed this question to begin with, but already posted...
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Matthew Amt




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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov, 2011 5:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm not Dan, but I often share his brain! The use of the Sutton Hoo clasps has been discussed at least once, maybe in these threads:

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=12914

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=23040

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=16419

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=18772

Bottom line, there *was* leather in that grave, but whether the clasps were associated with it is apparently a bit vague. Building that into some type of functional leather armor is speculative. I like Paul Mortimer's interpretation, but I'd also be happy just using them as baldric clasps.

Matthew
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov, 2011 11:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mr. Amt,

Thank you very much for the links! I was only able to find one actual reference in them to the purpose of the clasps and what type of garment they were attached to (this was Mr. Mortimer's layered linen overtunic) and this was very brief--however the wealth of information contained in these threads made for some excellent reading Happy

Since it seems this specific subject has not been thoroughly discussed yet, I am going to start a topic on it, and begin with my thought, after which the knowledge on the subject that many forumites hopefully possess can be added.
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