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Michael R. Black





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PostPosted: Tue 04 Oct, 2011 4:17 pm    Post subject: Help please-pics of MT 16th century arms and pauldrons         Reply with quote

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with this.

I am looking for pics of two types of armor made by Mercenary's tailor (sadly out of business now). I own both a set of pauldrons, and 16th century arms. They are rigged for straps, but the gorget I attach them to does not fit me very well, and it is uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time.

I want to refit these pieces for points. Allan from MT was willing to do this when they were in business (very generous), but with MT no longer producing armor, this is no longer an option. I surfed their site a few days ago, but the pics for these pieces did not show them set for points, so I have no idea what the armor should look like when it is set up for this.

I am wondering if any of you have done this sort of work and provide advice? In addition, if anyone has the ability to post pics of how points are configured on either type of piece, I would really appreciate it. I'm looking to see detail of whatever fitting/hole the point would tie to.

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Chris Mead




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PostPosted: Thu 06 Oct, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michael,

Do you want to attach the pauldrons with points, or just the arms?

I have a set of his 16th cent arms with grommets for point ties.

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PostPosted: Thu 06 Oct, 2011 6:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for answering me, Chris. I would prefer to attach both with points, if possible.
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PostPosted: Thu 06 Oct, 2011 10:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michael,

Here's a couple pics of my arm from the inside and outside.

Unfortunately, I haven't received my pauldrons yet, they could be lost in the mail. But, I think you could add the same kind of strapping to the neck-facing part of the pauldron. Alternately, you could make a "T" or "Y" shaped strap that would fasten to the existing pauldron buckle - see my lame sketch also attached.

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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct, 2011 12:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The leather is pretty easy to replace. I've been working at mine since my swimming adventure. Below are some shots of the 16th century arms, they are done differently than Chris's set. The pauldrons are done almost the same way, I can take photos of those for you if you'd like, do you have regular or small pauldrons?

I would recommend just switching the leather, opposed to building an adapter, there will be less fail points then.

Sorry about the state of the leather and the rust spots, I haven't reworked these yet since swimming.



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PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct, 2011 12:11 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Oh, and Allan ordered is rivets and washers from McMasater-Carr http://www.mcmaster.com/
The brass rivets are item number 97391A243
I ordered what I needed, stopped into the local leather shop for some scrap leather, and had at it.

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PostPosted: Sat 08 Oct, 2011 7:38 am    Post subject: Thanks so much         Reply with quote

I wanted to thank all of you for answering, and especially for the pics and links to parts.

I also wanted to express Allan from MT PM"d me with instructions (I was concerned my prior posts might have left the impression he'd left me hanging, but he did not do that despite the MT' closing). KUDOS TO ALLAN FOR HELPING OUT LIKE THIS.

With the pictures from the thread and Allans info, I think even a novice like myself will probably be able to do this.

regards,

Michael
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PostPosted: Sat 08 Oct, 2011 7:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Michael B. wrote:
The leather is pretty easy to replace. I've been working at mine since my swimming adventure.

Do you have a post about this swimming adventure? If so I can't find it. I am very interested in hearing about the experience. Happy

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PostPosted: Sat 08 Oct, 2011 8:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

T. Arndt wrote:
Michael B. wrote:
The leather is pretty easy to replace. I've been working at mine since my swimming adventure.

Do you have a post about this swimming adventure? If so I can't find it. I am very interested in hearing about the experience. Happy


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PostPosted: Sat 08 Oct, 2011 9:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ian S LaSpina wrote:
T. Arndt wrote:
Michael B. wrote:
The leather is pretty easy to replace. I've been working at mine since my swimming adventure.

Do you have a post about this swimming adventure? If so I can't find it. I am very interested in hearing about the experience. Happy

Here's the mini web documentary Michael did about swimming in armor:
http://vimeo.com/13634653

Very interesting, thank you Ian for pointing this out, and thank you Michael for making that.

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