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Sonny Suttles
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Aug, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Name that Sword Contest         Reply with quote

Another new sword and another name that sword contest. This one is for our new Bastard Sword.
To enter just email your suggestion to contest@valiant-armoury.com
You can suggest as many names as you like but try to combine them into one email please.
We will accept entries until Sept 30th.
And yes, the Winner gets the sword. Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin


Thanks and Good Luck

Sonny
Stats:
Overall Length: 44 in
Type XIIIa Blade
Blade Length: 35 in
Fuller Length: 16 1/4 in
Blade Width at Guard 113/16th in
Blade Width 2 inches from the tip: 7/8th in
Handle Length: 7 1/4 in
Style 5 Guard is 8 3/8th in
Pommel Type J (oval) 1 13/16th tall 2 3/16th wide
Weight: 3 lb 2 oz
Overall weight with scabbard: 4 lb 2 oz
P.O.B. 5 1/4 inch from Guard
C.O.P. 20 1/4 in from Guard














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PostPosted: Fri 26 Aug, 2011 7:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sonny... If you win the contest, do you win the sword?
Your tongue is your sword, & your mouth is your shield; what you say can stab you, & what you don't say can protect you...
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Aug, 2011 8:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes. The Winner gets the sword. Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

Sonny

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Aug, 2011 1:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Another great sword from Valiant there, Sonny. Spectacular job on the leather embossing! I am loving the looks of this one. Happy
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Aug, 2011 1:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I just fired off a list of names, mostly gathered from a variety of Google searches concerning XIIIas. (Regardless of whether I even come close to winning or not, I learned a few things, so this contest is good for me no matter what. Wink )

I was particularly quick about it this time, compared to last time with the new Falchion when I waited till the last minute. Although one of the names I had come up with was chosen, since it was submitted earlier by another person, no new toy for me.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Aug, 2011 4:29 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I concentrated more on the early phase of the 100 years war and connected persons and events. It's a perfect design to represent that period (1330's to 60's). Btw, it looks a bit too tapered and a bit flattened diamond section so it doesn't look like a typical XIIIa, but maybe pictures deceive me. And I would be more than happy with it even as a sword with mixed features, it's a beautiful sword...
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Aug, 2011 4:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

By the way. These Bastard Swords are in stock NOW. As are the ATrim 307 Tactical Long Swords (Zombie Slayer) and the new Norwich Falchion.
We are currently finishing a run of custom orders as well as working on all of the pre-ordered items but these can be ordered now. Wink Wink Wink

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Aug, 2011 10:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:
I concentrated more on the early phase of the 100 years war and connected persons and events. It's a perfect design to represent that period (1330's to 60's). Btw, it looks a bit too tapered and a bit flattened diamond section so it doesn't look like a typical XIIIa, but maybe pictures deceive me. And I would be more than happy with it even as a sword with mixed features, it's a beautiful sword...


Looks to me like the first photo has a shadow that accentuates the ridge - it looks fairly flat/smooth in the other photos. Still you're right that it is rather tapered for an XIIIa - so how about XIIa instead? I'll vote for late13th / early 14th c.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Aug, 2011 1:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

J.D. Crawford wrote:
Looks to me like the first photo has a shadow that accentuates the ridge - it looks fairly flat/smooth in the other photos. Still you're right that it is rather tapered for an XIIIa - so how about XIIa instead? I'll vote for late13th / early 14th c.


I have listed this as a Type XIIIa because that is what Gus said the blade provided to me was.
Would you rule these out as Type XIIIa's as well because of their taper? I am just curious.

Thanks for the input.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Aug, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sonny Suttles wrote:
J.D. Crawford wrote:
Looks to me like the first photo has a shadow that accentuates the ridge - it looks fairly flat/smooth in the other photos. Still you're right that it is rather tapered for an XIIIa - so how about XIIa instead? I'll vote for late13th / early 14th c.


I have listed this as a Type XIIIa because that is what Gus said the blade provided to me was.
Would you rule these out as Type XIIIa's as well because of their taper? I am just curious.

Thanks for the input.
Sonny


Hello Sonny,

That's a bit of a trick question, because Oakeshott put both of those as XIIIa in 'Records' Happy However, the first one is an anomolouos case that Oakehsott admited is more like an XI blade with a long handle, and the second one seems borderline XIIa/XIIIa. To me, your sword blade looks a whole lot like XIIa.3 in 'Records', but the difference between this one and the lower one you posted is splitting some pretty fine hairs. Sometimes it seems like Oakey flipped a coin when deciding.

By the way, XIIa.3 is dated to late 14th century (presumably because of the Arabic inscription), but its also thought these swords came into use much earlier, so who really knows the exact date for your sword? The pommel type runs from 13th to 15th century, so its not much help. On the other hand those cut out crosses in the guard seem to be associated with 14th century swords, so maybe that brings the date later than what I said. I just like pre-1300 history better.

The parallel blade of the classic XIIIa does not lend itself to being the kind of fencing longsword people expect when they hear 'bastard sword', which seems to be what you are aiming for here - an early longsword? Regarding, Mr. Trim, I've noticed that in the past he tended to add more taper in his XIII blades compared to the originals he uses for inspiration - likely to improve handling performance. Although that's not the case in his new XIIIb, so I'm generalizing.

-JD

PS - again, I think the scabbard is the highlight here. Very nice detailing.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Aug, 2011 2:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I don't care if it's a type XXXIII4va in the key of c#, It's very well done and with that I've cast my hat in the ring. May the best name win.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Aug, 2011 2:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks J.D.

As far as these things go I usually try not to tie our hands by sticking strictly with the classic Oakeshott typology.
We really just try to make swords that we think will appeal to a certain market. I put the typology on there to help reference what our sword is in relation to what people are familiar with. If someone wanted to call the blade a XII it would not bother me at all. I just know that this blade is different from the Type XII blades we have done and labeling it a XIIIa helps to differentiate the blades to our potential customers.

Thanks again for your thoughts J.D.

Sonny

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Aug, 2011 3:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yeah, I wouldn't take it too seriously either. First of all because Oakeshott's system is pretty nebulous in several areas, and more importantly, medieval swordmiths surely didn't care about typologies, instead they were just like you - they wanted to make swords that people would buy!

These categorization games are mostly just idle fun for us modern sword geeks and amateur academics...sorry if we distracted anyone from your cool new sword/scabbard package.
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My suggestion has been submitted and I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Happy

Thank you for yet another fun contest!

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I will be sending a very articulated e-mail over to you tonight, pertaining to this contest... Wink
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I really like the look of this sword, so much so that i've just ordered one through the Knight shop in the UK. I originally wanted a kreigswert, but was told the order dates would be around november, but to be honest I don't mind as the Bastard Sword looks very nice, and the scabbard is well presented. I look forward to testing the sword out on some cutting mats, and the odd dastardly milk cartons. Big Grin
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I must say, that is a fine looking piece. I submitted my entry, hopefully your spam filter doesn't grab it. It's from forgedintime.com
May the best man win, and if he doesn't, then I hope it's me...

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The Month is halfway gone but there is still time to get your suggestions in at
contest@valiant-armoury.com

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A bump for this one. Still some time left, though I'd like everyone to know that I intend to win this piece ;-). It just grabs me for some reason.
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Benjamin Rial wrote:
A bump for this one. Still some time left, though I'd like everyone to know that I intend to win this piece ;-). It just grabs me for some reason.


I'm glad you like it. I'll let you know how it handles when it gets to my house after I win the contest Big Grin

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