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Nathan Quarantillo
Location: Eastern Panhandle WV, USA Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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 Posted: Thu 21 Jul, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: My Teutonic Knight kit |
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Here is the 1370-1410 flavor of my Teutonic Knight kit.
I'll be expanding to earlier eras, and eventually will cover all the way to the late 13th century.
I'll be portraying a Ritterbrudern for all of the kits.
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"Id rather be historically accurate than politically correct"
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Nathan Quarantillo
Location: Eastern Panhandle WV, USA Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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Some More pictures.....
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William P
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whats under the surcoat? maile, or a breastplate?
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Nathan Quarantillo
Location: Eastern Panhandle WV, USA Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Fri 22 Jul, 2011 8:16 am Post subject: |
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Nothing now. I had the thing sized for maille so the cuirass is awkward underneath it.
I'm gonna be ordering the maille in a couple weeks.
"Id rather be historically accurate than politically correct"
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Jeremy V. Krause
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That's cool Nathan,
What material is the soft kit made of? Did you use a certain historic illumination to put this together or a number of sources?
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William P
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and being one of the ritterbruden, does that mean youll be having one of those absolutely badass greathelms with the two webbed horns? like this one
i have to say that ranks as a must get for my collection.
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Augusto Boer Bront
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William P
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hmm, so were the teutons still using those ornamentations but just on different helm designs? and what type of helm are you planning to wear, a bascinet? or maybe a sallet of some sort?
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Augusto Boer Bront
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William P
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so it is indeed going to be a bascinet. will it be one of those snouted visor typs or open face..
that said. historical or no. i justcant imagine teutonic knights without that helm. its as iconic as the corinthian is to hoplites and the gallic G is to roman legioaires.
call it romantiscism but i somehow cant imagine riters with a snouted bascinet. thats just me of course.
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Jeff A. Arbogast
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| Posted: Sun 24 Jul, 2011 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Very handsome kit. Well done.
A man's nose is his castle-and his finger is a mighty sword that he may wield UNHINDERED!
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Sander Marechal
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| William P wrote: | | that said. historical or no. i justcant imagine teutonic knights without that helm. its as iconic as the corinthian is to hoplites and the gallic G is to roman legioaires. |
It's not, really. Have a look at the Codex Manesse. Everybody is doing outrageous helmet crests. It's not something specifically to Teutonic Knights at all. I'd even hazard to guess that everyone but the Teutonics (and other knightly orders) were doing such crests. The rules of their order would probably have forbidden too outrageous displays.
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Felix R.
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This is the type of helmet you should be looking for, look for the pictures of the original piece too.
Here you can find some possible reproductions:
http://www.viaarmorari.com/
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Bjorn Hagstrom
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| Sander Marechal wrote: |
It's not, really. Have a look at the Codex Manesse. Everybody is doing outrageous helmet crests. It's not something specifically to Teutonic Knights at all. I'd even hazard to guess that everyone but the Teutonics (and other knightly orders) were doing such crests. The rules of their order would probably have forbidden too outrageous displays. |
Worth noticing is that the scenes from Codex Manesse shows fancy torney/jousting settings. A teutonic knightly brother is very unlikley to participate in a tourney, and by the same account, a unwieldy showy helmet crest would not likley be used in the field. I might have to eat my own words here, but I can't recall many battle-scenes from the high medieval era that shows helmet crests?
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Felix R.
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You get what you pay for! thoise "cheapos" might work for simple helmet types - although even those are already off in terms of correct shapes - but when it comes to more complex helmets and visors, you will end up in paying for a good custom piece anyway, so why throwing the money out of the window in the first place?
Of course there are many more options than via armorari, it was just to give an idea of what such types could look like besides the miniature.
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William P
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| Sander Marechal wrote: | | William P wrote: | | that said. historical or no. i justcant imagine teutonic knights without that helm. its as iconic as the corinthian is to hoplites and the gallic G is to roman legioaires. |
It's not, really. Have a look at the Codex Manesse. Everybody is doing outrageous helmet crests. It's not something specifically to Teutonic Knights at all. I'd even hazard to guess that everyone but the Teutonics (and other knightly orders) were doing such crests. The rules of their order would probably have forbidden too outrageous displays. |
well fair enough. however i think that those helms will continue to be a thing which says 'teuonic knight' to me. like the corinthian says hoplite even though not every city state used the corinthian helmet.
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Augusto Boer Bront
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| Felix R. wrote: |
You get what you pay for! thoise "cheepoes" might work for simple helmet types - although even those are already off in terms of correct shapes - but when it comes to more complex helmets and visors, you will end up in paying for a good custom piece anyway, so why throwing the money out of the window in the first place?
Of course there are many more options than via armorari, it was just to give an idea of what such types could look like besides the miniature. |
Oh no, sorry, this is not what I wanted to say. Obviously the via armorary's stuff is of super high quality (tempered steel, raised helmets, ecc...) and you pay for that. But for a beginner I think is better to get a little cheaper helmet to see how it works with the kit and see if he wants to hold or to change it (and thet's helmet isn't properly a "cheapo". 250 euros for a 2mm helmet it's not).
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Sander Marechal
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I have never seen a bascinet like that before, although it does look at lot like the one worn by the miniature posted above. It doesn't look historical to me. I may be totally wrong here of course.
Anyway, If you want a cheaper helmet then I'd highly suggest that you trawl some fairs and try them on yourselves. Cheaper models come in fixed sizes (like e.g. GDFB has, or Ulfbert) and should be available through various resellers. If a bascinet fits you poorly then you'll have really bad visibility. So, if you want to go cheap and get a "stock" bascinet, try them in real life first.
The Knights Hospitaller: http://www.hospitaalridders.nl
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Nathan Quarantillo
Location: Eastern Panhandle WV, USA Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Mon 25 Jul, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Woo! ok, serious response time!
And my Teutonic knight kit will cover ALOT of time ground. From the late 13th to late 14th cent.
I plan to get a Helm that is Pembridge in it's styling. Yes, yes, too early for 13th cent, I'll be wearing my coif with that version.
And no great crest for me. I had the hood sized to wear over the helm. I will have decor, in the form of a brass cross in the center, and it being painted black and white. Per Pale.
And the Mantle and Surcote are all linen. Cotton isn't period, and wool is bloody hot. 
And I like bascinates and all, but they're a bit too limited. Only 14th cent. And I'm a great helm kinda guy. Bucket-head looks all the way! 
"Id rather be historically accurate than politically correct"
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