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Timo Nieminen




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PostPosted: Tue 28 Jun, 2011 9:25 pm    Post subject: Making rawhide lamellar armour         Reply with quote

Having a bunch of rawhide lamellae (flat rectangular dog chews), making rawhide lamellar looks like an interesting and educational thing to try.

Any hints? There are lots of patterns around, photographic examples, drawings, etc. The more mysterious part is making finshed lamellae. Not being blessed with the dryness of Central Asia, waterproofing appears to be a useful step. Polyurethane floor sealant/coating looks like a reasonable lacquer substitute.

Sakikabara Kozan, "The manufacture of armour and helmets in sixteenth century Japan", notes the gluing together of 2 layers of rawhide (prior to lacquering, of course), with fish glue. This is for solid helmet neck protector laminae, not individual lamellae, but might be good for using the thin pieces. Any suggestions for good glues?

Any hints, suggestions, useful advice, known gotchas, etc.?

"In addition to being efficient, all pole arms were quite nice to look at." - Cherney Berg, A hideous history of weapons, Collier 1963.
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Jun, 2011 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Making rawhide lamellar armour         Reply with quote

Timo Nieminen wrote:
Having a bunch of rawhide lamellae (flat rectangular dog chews), making rawhide lamellar looks like an interesting and educational thing to try.

Any hints? There are lots of patterns around, photographic examples, drawings, etc. The more mysterious part is making finshed lamellae. Not being blessed with the dryness of Central Asia, waterproofing appears to be a useful step. Polyurethane floor sealant/coating looks like a reasonable lacquer substitute.

Sakikabara Kozan, "The manufacture of armour and helmets in sixteenth century Japan", notes the gluing together of 2 layers of rawhide (prior to lacquering, of course), with fish glue. This is for solid helmet neck protector laminae, not individual lamellae, but might be good for using the thin pieces. Any suggestions for good glues?

Any hints, suggestions, useful advice, known gotchas, etc.?


http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/...ellar.html maybe check this article on byzantine lamellar asto the lacing, but as for finishing and waterproofing. no idea
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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jul, 2011 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: Making rawhide lamellar armour         Reply with quote

Timo Nieminen wrote:
Having a bunch of rawhide lamellae (flat rectangular dog chews), making rawhide lamellar looks like an interesting and educational thing to try.

Any hints? There are lots of patterns around, photographic examples, drawings, etc. The more mysterious part is making finshed lamellae. Not being blessed with the dryness of Central Asia, waterproofing appears to be a useful step. Polyurethane floor sealant/coating looks like a reasonable lacquer substitute.

Sakikabara Kozan, "The manufacture of armour and helmets in sixteenth century Japan", notes the gluing together of 2 layers of rawhide (prior to lacquering, of course), with fish glue. This is for solid helmet neck protector laminae, not individual lamellae, but might be good for using the thin pieces. Any suggestions for good glues?

Any hints, suggestions, useful advice, known gotchas, etc.?
Here are links to some detailed pictures of 2 lamellar Japanese armors.

One is very flexible and is made from around 540 individual leather (rawhide) scales that were individually lacquered and then laced together into rows (nerigawa hon kozane).

The other one is made from around 280 individual scales that are very stiffly laced together and apparently wrapped in leather and lacquered into rows.

http://s831.photobucket.com/albums/zz238/estc...?start=all
Nerigawa hon kozane maru dou



http://s831.photobucket.com/albums/zz238/estc...?start=all

Tetsu Hon iyozane maru dou

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