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Sean Flynt
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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jun, 2011 12:53 pm    Post subject: Armour design for bike?         Reply with quote

This one might be a bit far-out even for the off-topic forum, but I'll try to stay on the a&a track. Helping me will require good knowledge of armour for man and horse.

Lately, when I haven't been working on a sallet project I've been slowly dismembering an old Trek road bike with the goal of converting it to fixed gear. One of the problems I face is repainting (for the second time). Rattle-can painting a bike frame is a big fat pain and never looks great. It just occurred to me that the frame could be stripped, polished and otherwise treated like plate armour. That may be wildly impractical but it's cheap and led me to the idea of a subtle armour design theme throughout the project--all bright steel frame and aluminum components, leather saddle, etc. No brakes on a classic "fixie," so there won't be ugly cables to spoil the look.

So, I'm brainstorming about the kinds of subtle details that would echo, say, late 15th c. German or Italian armour. A red saddle and bar tape, for example. Red wheels are an option. I have one set of brazed bottle mounts on the down tube, and there might be some interesting possibilities there (can't think of any at present).

Can you think of other things? tiny shaffron over the stem, with the eye-guards over the bars? steel ring for a mace?

I'll entertain all ideas but keep in mind the aesthetic of the fixie, which is meant to be stripped, mechanically simple and light (but typically rather flashy). See the bike below as a good example of the type.

I won't be getting one of those black sallet bike helmets, but SOMEBODY should get one and paint accordingly! Big Grin



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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jun, 2011 1:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I prefer the single speed more, brakes safe lives. But that is a different matter.

Leave it as is, not everything looks good with armour on. It would add things here and there and would possibly end in an "OCC like" thing.

Maybe you could ride it with a real black sallet for the sake of safety.
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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jun, 2011 1:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I know what you mean, Felix. I definitely don't want a novelty bike, just something suggestive of armour. If I can't make that work properly it'll be yellow.

There's currently nothing to leave alone, though. It's just an old frame and crankset, so all options are open. Could even do single-speed and brake using the old wheel/freewheel. I would definitely wear a (proper helmet) and add a brake for street riding, no matter what. I don't plan to ride street, as I think it's suicidal no matter the bike or helmet. "Roadies" get killed around here all the time. This is a university bike. A sidewalk bike to get me from one side of campus to the other in style.

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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jun, 2011 2:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Sean,

don't mix your hobbys. Fixies do look best as you have already declared: stripped down to the minimum. And they should be light - so don't put any armor or other bits onto the frame. Another thing to consider is theft. If you want to use it at your university, keep in mind not to make it overly fashionable, because then it will attract thieves.

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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jun, 2011 2:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I would love to see PJD on American Chopper create an Armor themed Motorcycle! Now that would be awesome.
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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jun, 2011 4:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Christopher VaughnStrever wrote:
I would love to see PJD on American Chopper create an Armor themed Motorcycle! Now that would be awesome.


I think Sean is looking for something much more subtle than this:

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2011 6:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's right, Scott. Even that motorbike would be too much for this project. I'm thinking more along the lines of filing the bottle mount bolt heads into rosettes, using red leather toe straps, making a small, tooled leather tool/tube bag. I don't want the bike to look armoured. I want it to echo the best of armour design within the parameters of the fixed gear aesthetic--mostly colors, materials and finishes. A tiny shaffron (maybe 2"x4") would be as literal as I'd want to go, and even that might be too much.

A Brooks leather saddle would be perfect, but I've just noticed that a new one is about $250! I could buy a whole bike for that!

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2011 7:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

How about painting a small targe on the front of the head tube where manufacturers usually put their logo? It would be small and inconspicuous.


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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2011 7:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's the ticket, Scott!

This is an old Trek, so it has an oval brass plate (now blank) on the head tube. I was thinking of engraving or etching it with an image of the Madonna of Ghisallo, patron saint of cyclists, but I like your paint idea better. Big Grin I also like the famous painted shield featuring a knight, lady and death. I have my Towton ancestor's arms as well. Could make it a Towton bike. Lots of ideas for painting that plate.

That's good thinking, man! Big Grin Thanks!

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2011 7:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

How about changing the gears for some self-made one's which have a tad more gothic-y lines on the inside?
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2011 8:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sander Marechal wrote:
How about changing the gears for some self-made one's which have a tad more gothic-y lines on the inside?


That's an interesting point, Sander. In fact, the crankset on my bike (NOT the one shown above) is vintage Campagnolo and has very clean Gothic-looking lines. It even has a shield on the crank arm. That's part of what inspired this idea!

Like the one below, but without the inner chainring. See? Doesn't this remind others of armour?



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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2011 8:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

and wouldn't a Brooks saddle be perfect?


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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2011 8:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A MUCH cheaper alternative:


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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2011 9:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

How about blued and gilded, like the George Clifford garniture?
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2011 11:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Torsten F.H. Wilke wrote:
How about blued and gilded, like the George Clifford garniture?


Blued....I hadn't even thought of that. I'm actually not even sure this steel alloy would blue properly but it's a very interesting idea! Holy cow....a blued and gilt frame. I'd be afraid to ride it! Blued rosette bolts would be a beautiful detail on a bright frame (if the bolts are steel).

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Jun, 2011 10:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Torsten F.H. Wilke wrote:
How about blued and gilded, like the George Clifford garniture?


As pedantic as it may be, I must add, I think this armour was browned and gilded, not exactly blued. The original drawing in the album shows a brown background, indicating that it was intended from the beginning to look that way, and not that it was originally blued and then faded over time. At least this is how it looks to me - I may be mistaken.

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Jun, 2011 1:58 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Something like this:


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jun, 2011 7:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sean Flynt wrote:
Something like this:


I like it! Add a red bottle cage and bar tape that someone suggested earlier and i think that would really set it off, maybe even tires that have a red stripe on the sidewall.
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jun, 2011 7:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have to admit Sean, I initially thought this thread was a late April Fools' joke Happy
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jun, 2011 1:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello, Adam,

The 'Clifford' garniture was indeed originally blued. The original colour still survives under the brow reinforce and a few other covered areas.

I couldn't resist; here's a pic of the 'Malaysian Urban Assault Bike' by my fellow grad student (we did our master's shows together) Lars Borgesen. Yes, he used to ride it around town. Big Grin



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