As far as I know both of those swords are discontinued and have been for awhile. If you want those swords in particular your best bet would probably be to post a "wanted" add in the marketplace section of the forums. Otherwise you might check out these two which (at least to me) look similar.
Windlass has a habit of discontinuing swords often and introducing new swords just as often... their line up is constantly changing. I recall the Sword of Novara being discontinued a little while ago... it went on sale as they sold the last few for a really low price. I've never even seen the other one.
You might consider the A&A German Bastard Sword as well... I have one, and I'm in love with it.
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