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Robert Hinds




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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar, 2011 11:04 pm    Post subject: Modern day transport of armour and harness?         Reply with quote

I'm planning on wearing my 15th century billman kit to the area ren faire this summer, and was wondering the best way to transport the armour?

I don't have much, just a jack, jackchains, breastplate and helmet. I was planning on trying to buy a really large gym bag and pack all the armour (each piece in a large pillowcase) in that. But it's been hard trying to find a bag that big.

How do you guys transport armour to an event?

Any advice or help would be much appreciated. Happy

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Hendrik De Coster




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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar, 2011 11:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

a large ikea chest has most of my armour in it, although it needs to be replaced by a historical one in the distant future
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 5:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I saw a guy who simply had all his kit in a basic everyday chest and bungee cord strapped it to a dolly (hand truck). Seemed to work good for him.
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Robert Hinds




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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 5:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

People seem to like chests. Thats probably one of the more period ways of doing it, but would one of those fit easily into a car trunk? Whatever I end up using has to fit into the trunk of a car for transport. Too bad I can't just drive there wearing the stuff...I wonder...
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Terry Thompson




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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 7:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Armour chest. Down-side is that it takes up more room than a duffle and adds about 10 lbs. But more durable, and you can sit on it, use it as a chair. If you're a member of a company, paint your lord's livery badge on it.




This chest is 16.5 x 18 x 20, and I can fit everything but weapons and shield in it (basinet, breastplate, cuisses, greaves, sabatons, maille, gauntlets and gambeson etc.) You have to exercise your tetris skills with stacking and nesting items. In that photo above, my hourglass gauntlets are inside of my helm, sabatons are stuffed into greaves which are nested inside of cuisses. And there's room to spare for extra items as well.
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Kel Rekuta




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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 7:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Two smaller chests are more user friendly than one large chest that holds everything. When you have transitional plate, mail and arming garments to transport, one box is too unwieldy. Your back will appreciate it.
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 8:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

for unhistorical transportation i use an Icehockeybag. They are sturdy enough and Large enough...if i have a far way to carry it, i use a dolly too.

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Robert Hinds




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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 8:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thats a nice armour chest Terry, I think I'll have to look into making one of those in the future.

I think I'll try checking out hockey bags for present. They might be cheaper and work good since I don't have full plate (yet). Thanks for mentioning those Andreas.

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Kurt Scholz





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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just look what kind of transport ice hockey players use in your area. These are usually large bags and their eqipment has similar requirements of space for bulky equipment, although theirs is not so heavy. Maybee a there's a trolley version available that would have the bonus of easy transportation. A different and cheap option could be duffle bag, this is at least meant for hauling very heavy loads on foot.
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 11:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I use a large duffel bag for the bulk of my armour, a backpack for the helm, and a small rubber made for clothing, it all packs nicely with my weapons in my little 2 door escort. The duffel is easy transit. I would love to have an armour chest, hopefully this summer.
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 1:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Terry Thompson wrote:
Armour chest.





Armour chests are nice. Can be hard to carry alone, easier to do with two people. This one has nice carrying rings. If they were set up near the top edge (which might need the lid clasps moved to the other sides), they'd stick above the lid, and you could put a pole through them, for most excellent two-person portage.

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Kel Rekuta




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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 7:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Kurt Scholz wrote:
Just look what kind of transport ice hockey players use in your area. These are usually large bags and their eqipment has similar requirements of space for bulky equipment, although theirs is not so heavy. Maybee a there's a trolley version available that would have the bonus of easy transportation. A different and cheap option could be duffle bag, this is at least meant for hauling very heavy loads on foot.


The nephew has a rolling equipment bag that opens up like an old time steamer trunk. It even has little shelves. Amazing what people will buy their ten year olds. I used a hockey bag for my SCA gear for a couple decades. Its a simple solution for that kind of kit.
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David Teague




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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar, 2011 8:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Historic style chest with rings mounted for the pole.





Cooler than my old hockey bag.

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Terry Thompson




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Mar, 2011 7:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Timo Nieminen wrote:

Armour chests are nice. Can be hard to carry alone, easier to do with two people. This one has nice carrying rings. If they were set up near the top edge (which might need the lid clasps moved to the other sides), they'd stick above the lid, and you could put a pole through them, for most excellent two-person portage.


I agree that the rings are set way too far down. I should add a very oblong ring between the staple and the ring, so it can slide up and over the top of the chest (H.E. carries this type of ring). This would be helped much more if I moved the hasps to the other sides, which are horribly modern anyhow. Hindsight was definately 20/20 on this project.
If someone wants to do a chest, I'd suggest weighing your items and consider the additional weight of the chest for portage. In my case, alltogether the weight is around 50-55 lbs. when full, and is managable due to the compact size for one person (I wouldn't want to carry it across a soccer field). If it was full metal plate and maille, it would be a whole different matter, but much of it is splinted leather.
Before making the chest, I stacked all of my items together as tightly as I could to get a rough idea of the dimensions the chest would need to be. I added 2" to each side, and then figured dimensional panel sides to contain that space.
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N Cioran




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Mar, 2011 8:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I swear by a large wicker basket. Its a historical solution for armour storage that presents a number of advantages: It's light, so doesn't add to the weight of transport significantly, and the wickerwork allows readier evaporation of residual sweat. I've found that I have to polish far less often using a basket than any other solution.

Enjoy.
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Matthijs Witsenburg




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Mar, 2011 10:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Baskets are actually quite a nice idea.

Oiled linen bags also work a treat preventing rust. For transport I use a somewhat flexible rolling suitcase. It works well enough to transport my armour by bike when necessary.
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Jonathon Janusz





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PostPosted: Thu 24 Mar, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The jousters I've known have almost all used big plastic tool chests with handles on both ends and built-in casters for modern everyday transport. These can be picked up at most home supply stores and seem to be good for transport, storage, seating, a mounting block for a horse (in a pinch), and seem to be able to take the punishment of cross-country transport or air travel/shipment well.

. . . but of course, I'm all for period/historically inspired solutions. Happy
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