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Nathan Robinson
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb, 2011 6:21 pm    Post subject: A representative collection of daggers         Reply with quote

Hey everybody-

Several years ago when I was able to assemble the spotlight featured articles for the Rondel Dagger and Ballock Dagger, I became very intrigued with something found in each article's introduction.

Both articles mention the five basic dagger forms found in use during the late Middle Ages and early Renaissance:


Ballock dagger, baselard, quillon dagger, ear dagger, and rondel dagger


And so began my quest to assemble my own representative collection of these families of daggers. I have a bit of overlap of the styles so I have a couple versions to show. This took a long time and a bunch of effort from the makers so I hope you guys enjoy the results. I know I sure do.

Putting this together has made me really appreciate daggers far more than I once did. Not only are they more affordable to collect than swords and many other items, they demonstrate a great amount of diversity of style, function, and handling properties. Having a variety of these items available and at hand makes for some very interesting comparative analysis.


First group, top photo, left to right:
Tod's Stuff Low Countries Ballock Dagger, Tod's Stuff Baselard with boxwood grip, Peter Johnsson Medieval Dagger, Arma Bohemia Ear Dagger, and Arma Bohemia All-Metal Rondel Dagger






Second group, top photo, left to right:
Tod's Stuff Low Countries Ballock Dagger, Arma Bohemia Baselard, Peter Johnsson Medieval Dagger, Arma Bohemia Ear Dagger, and Arma Bohemia Composite Rondel Dagger




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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb, 2011 6:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That is an awesome spectrum of steel Laughing Out Loud
Wish I had but one of any of those.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb, 2011 8:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very tasteful collection.

There's such variety in daggers. We see in them the wild artistic directions many people mistakenly/fantasically attribute to swords, which tended (not all) to be more utilitarian/Spartan - even something you were 'issued'. Daggers were the most intimate and personalized weapons, something you (literally) ate and slept with, and it's evident.

Quillons were my first love, but there are enough Rondels on here for the latter to have grown on me.
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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb, 2011 4:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That PJ dagger is sooo nice. Wink

I'm actually finding knives and daggers are capturing my interest much more than swords of late. Not only for the reasons already given, but I find daggers from around the world often exemplify a unique snapshot of the aesthetic of the culture that produced it. quillon daggers like the one above are my favourite, but I also like rondels, Tibetan Phurbas, and those wierd Chinese axe-daggers.
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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb, 2011 8:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

"Bringing those blades to "Life = FANTASTIC. What a Project & THANKS for sharing.

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb, 2011 9:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Maybe you missed a couple? :-)
http://www.myArmoury.com/review_tod_bwbaselard.html

Quote:
Seven major dagger groups can be distinguished.

Does someone know what the other 2 are? I have searched a few times after reading that sentence, no luck.

ps. Nice collection!
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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb, 2011 10:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Carl W. wrote:
Maybe you missed a couple? :-)

Quote:
Seven major dagger groups can be distinguished.

Does someone know what the other 2 are? I have searched a few times after reading that sentence, no luck.


I said, "Both articles mention the five basic dagger forms found in use during the late Middle Ages and early Renaissances."

The review from Felix does not limit the time frame.

If I want, I could extend the time into the 16th century and can make another group with a Landsknecht dagger, Cinquedea, stiletto, main gauche/parrying dagger, etc. Going further, I could include the Scottish Dirk and other varieties and going earlier, I could add all kinds of variants.

You can check out my collection gallery for more of the variety I've added than just these five types. I'm particularly fond of all those types mentioned and the Hauswehr, Bauernwehr, and seax as well.

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb, 2011 10:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My god that collection. Eek!
I hope that envy is not a great sin. If so, now I'm very sinning. Happy

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb, 2011 10:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I used to think I had a great dagger collection until I saw this. Happy It's a great collection of pieces.

I'm not as into Renaissance daggers, so ear daggers haven't made their way into my collection. I also haven't found a baselard that really excites me. So mine is incomplete and less representative of the era.

Oh well. Happy

Consider adding one of these pics to the thread Daggers in your collection to help fill it out.

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb, 2011 12:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's the best set of daggers I've ever seen, Nathan. Hope you do extend it!
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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A fantastic representation of the 5 types. Thanks for sharing.
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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb, 2011 5:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I particularly like the Peter Johnsson quillon dagger and the Arma Bohemia baselard. I hope you add the latter to your collection gallery soon so I can see more photos of it.
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PostPosted: Mon 28 Feb, 2011 5:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That is a great representation of daggers through the years Nathan. Color me jealous as it by and far makes my collection of 2 look quite small. Though as with Chad the later era daggers are not as much of interest to me though nice none the less!
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Mar, 2011 10:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
Consider adding one of these pics to the thread Daggers in your collection to help fill it out.


I'll try to find the time to take photos of more daggers all together. I like seeing items composed with other items to get a sense of scale and proportion. I hope you all do, too.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Mar, 2011 11:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
I'll try to find the time to take photos of more daggers all together. I like seeing items composed with other items to get a sense of scale and proportion. I hope you all do, too.


Very much so. Happy That's one reason why I started the thread Daggers in your collection. Happy

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PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep, 2012 11:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's my own attempt at a representative collection of daggers. Since my collection focuses on 1000-1450 AD (or so), I feel the sax needs inclusion and the ear dagger (a Renaissance form in my mind) does not.

With the acquisition of my A&A custom Swiss Dagger/Early Baselard, I now have a full set. Actually, if I had another member from the baselard/Swiss dagger family and another sax, I'd have two full sets.



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PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep, 2012 1:10 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's a great dagger collection Nathan and Chad,

Such a wonderful concept for a display somewhere in the home.

I love the idea of a, more-or-less complete "slice" of the A&A pie. If only I had more discipline in my purchasing I could put together this kind of collection- but something always catches my fancy and takes me off course.

What a great discussion focus or even teaching opportunity to have in one's home for an interested visitor. As a collector more than a practitioner, my collection is all about the "show and tell" aspect. Happy

BRAVO!
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep, 2012 1:28 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jeremy,
Thanks! It's been fun putting it together over the years. I just realized I have quite a variety of cross-sections represented:

Diamond section: A&A rondel, A&A quillon dagger
Fullered diamond: Tod's Stuff quillon dagger
Square (so diamond it's edgeless): Arma Bohemia ballock dagger
Single-edge triangular: Tod sax, English Cutler ballock
Fullered Single-edge triangular: Tod rondel dagger, Vince Evans dirk (too late for this thread)
Double-edged triangular: A&A Swiss dagger

Is that a wide cross-section of cross-sections? Happy

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PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep, 2012 1:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nice to see your collection Chad. I love that long rondel...
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