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Maurizio D'Angelo




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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jan, 2011 3:13 pm    Post subject: Print Correr Museum         Reply with quote

Sword and shield of Doge Sebastiano Ziani (Venice).
Print Correr Museum (courtesy of the Director).
The strange thing for me is dating. It is a "stocco" of 1176.
What do you think?
Any thoughts would be appreciated



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Timo Nieminen




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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jan, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks very Renaissance! If it is the sword and shield (and helmet?) of Doge Sebastiano Ziani, the date would be quite correct. I suspect that these are what are claimed to be the sword and shield of Doge SZ.
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Simon G.




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PostPosted: Fri 28 Jan, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The drawing seems to show a hollow-ground blade... People more knowledgeable than me (many on this forum! Razz ) might correct me, but hollow-ground blades are indeed very Renaissance, and I don't think any is known that comes even close to 1176...

As to the helm and shield, I gather from the text they are attributed to the same doge, but there too the decorations on both pieces, and the style of the helm (a burgonet, quite clearly) are most definitely Renaissance and not 12th century.

Quite certainly these are regalia created in the Renaissance, I'd say 16th century, and attributed to a 12th century doge. I'd be curious to know who did the attribution and why.
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