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Danny Grigg





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PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov, 2010 1:44 am    Post subject: Type Xa.14 Records of the Medieval Sword         Reply with quote

I came across the following photos of Xa.14 (LM 10116) Sword while seaching the Schweizerisches Nationalmuseum
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http://webcollection.landesmuseen.ch/de/php/d...uchtyp=mix

More pictures of military objects can be found here:
http://webcollection.landesmuseen.ch/de/samml...index.html

More pictures of various museum objects can be found here:
http://webcollection.landesmuseen.ch/de/index.html


There's only a drawing of the sword in Records of the Medieval Sword, so I thought everyone would like to see some photos.

Does anyone have any further photos or information about this sword including the pictogram inlaids?
Has this sword be published in any other books, preferably in English?

Thanks

Danny
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov, 2010 2:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Great find!! Thanks for sharing.
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov, 2010 9:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Great stuff Danny! What a great sword Xa.14 is! Such cool inlay...nice to see it in color. The rest of that site is awesome. I love the hand mortars and some of the rifles too! Thank you for posting this link.
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Aug, 2012 9:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

To follow up on Xa.14 I just came across this page with some information and pics of Xa.15 (IN 7002) from the Landesmuseum in Zurich Switzerland.

All of the text is in german and google's automatic translator doesn't work very well.

Can anyone translate this?

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ein verziertes ritterliches Schwert im Schweizerischen Landesmuseum

Gefäss Eisen. Knauf (Paranuss), seitlich geflacht. Parierstange von quadratischem Querschnitt. Griffholz vermodert. Klinge beidseitig mit messingtauschierten symbolischen Darstellungen (das Gute = Vögel; das Böse = Pfeile)
Herkunft: Gefunden im Neuenburgersee
1150-1250
Masse: L 97.5 cm; B 21.1 cm
Herstellungsort: Deutschland
Literatur: Wegeli, Inschriften [auf Mittelalterlichen Schwertklingen, Dresden 1902-05]
NB. Verwandtes Stück, Carpegna, Odescalchi [Antiche Armi dal sec. IX al XVIII, 1968], S. 34, Nr. 189; Kienbusch, S. 151, Nr. 313. Vielleicht stammt unser Stück mit Kat. Nr. 16 aus der gleichen Werkstatt
IN 7002

Waffen im Schweizerischen Landesmuseum; Griffwaffen I, Hugo Schneider unter Mitarbeit von Karl Stüber, Zürich, 1980, Kat. Nr. 17 (p. 23).


Seite A: zwei Vögel und ein R-artiges Zeichen

Seite B: Muster aus "Pfeilen" / "Flussdiagramm"


Das Schwert hat die typische Form eines ritterlichen Schwertes aus dem Hochmittelalter. Die Klingen solcher Schwerter sind nicht selten beschriftet oder mit Kreuzsymbolen usw. verziert; aber die Muster auf dieser Klinge scheinen mir sehr untypisch. Die Vermutung, Seite A stelle das Gute dar und Seite B das Böse -- keine Ahnung. A kann man wohl christlich interpretieren, aber B kann geradesogut rein ornamental sein.

Das erwähnte vergleichbare Schwert Kat. Nr. 16 (LM 10116) habe ich nicht selber gesehen. Es wurde in Yverdon gefunden. Seine Ornamente sind noch prächtiger, und Schneider vermutet auch hier "Kampf zwischen dem Guten und dem Bösen". Auf der Klinge sind eine Axt, eine Schlange, ein Vogel im Flug und ein Pfau zu erkennen, aber eher in Prozession als im Kampf. Ein den "Pfeilen" ähnliches Muster hat deutlichere florale Züge.
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Aug, 2012 9:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Great Stuff again! Keep finding stuff like this! Thanks! Big Grin
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Aug, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Tim

See this page as well:

http://freywild.ch/lm70573.html

At first I thought this was Type XVII.7 (IN 6977) from the Landesmuseum Zurich Switzerland, but it's not.

It could be the big brother of XVII.7 though.

Enjoy

Danny
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Aug, 2012 12:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

From the book "Waffen im Scheizerischen Landesmuseum, Griffwaffen 1" there are the following data on Xa.14.

Dated to 1150 - 1250
German origin
Total length: 94,4 cm
Width of guard: 15,4 cm

inventory number: LM 10116

It is really a very beautiful sword. One of the finest of this period perhaps (although there are many beautiful swords sharing similar character and for to this one).

The data posted above by Danny is another sword in the same collection. Similar but a different one. The inventory number of this one is IN 7002
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Aug, 2012 5:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Danny Grigg wrote:
To follow up on Xa.14 I just came across this page with some information and pics of Xa.15 (IN 7002) from the Landesmuseum in Zurich Switzerland.

All of the text is in german and google's automatic translator doesn't work very well.

Can anyone translate this?

Danny



http://freywild.ch/in7002.html



Thanks for the link; nice details on this sword.

According to google translate, the museum don't know what the design on the opposite side of the sword is. It looks like a 'Carroccio', a common 12th century war standard. This is described (and shown on a similar sword) by Oakeshott on pages 88-89 of 'Sword in Hand'.
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