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Owen Bush
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Sep, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: is offering kitchenknives here good form or not .         Reply with quote

Hello all ,
as well as making swords and seax and daggers i also make kitchen knives
I was wondering if offering kitchen knives here was good form or not .
the knives i make are modern in form but use damascus and wood handles .
they are not based in history and are not weapons .
so i was wondering if they would fit in or not ?
i am very aware of not turning this place into a custom knife boot sale (garage sale) so to speak .
i am interested in what you have to say esp moderators .

please do not be afraid to tell me to take them else where if you think thats appropriate .

forging soul into steel .

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Jean Thibodeau




PostPosted: Fri 10 Sep, 2010 5:28 am    Post subject: Re: is offering kitchenknives here good form or not .         Reply with quote

Owen Bush wrote:
Hello all ,
as well as making swords and seax and daggers i also make kitchen knives
I was wondering if offering kitchen knives here was good form or not .
the knives i make are modern in form but use damascus and wood handles .
they are not based in history and are not weapons .
so i was wondering if they would fit in or not ?
i am very aware of not turning this place into a custom knife boot sale (garage sale) so to speak .
i am interested in what you have to say esp moderators .

please do not be afraid to tell me to take them else where if you think thats appropriate .


Well I don't see a problem with it as most of the Medieval simple everyday using knives sure look a lot like kitchen knives to me.

Michael Pikula had some small knives like this on sale recently and they mostly sold out like hot cakes: Basically By-Knives and I do know that Nathan has sort of a fascination for period utilitarian cutlery.

I'm sure you have seen them but here is a link to the Topic by Michael:
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewforum.php?f=2

Now, I just bought one and the good thing is that often these simple knives are " relatively " affordable and a way to buy custom work for people who couldn't afford a sword or an expensive custom knife.

Although this site seems mostly European Medieval in focus this is mostly that the membership has evolved to be composed of mostly people interested in such, but Eastern weaponry is also perfectly O.K. for this site and any period in history is also relevant to this site's reason for being.

Now I can't speak for Nathan who would be the final arbiter of what is allowable for this site but for me it would seem very much O.K. to sell kitchen cutlery.

As to fully modern kitchen designs or modern fighting or hunting knives might be too far from this site's focus but even then linking to one's site where those are also available would be O.K. I think in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Sep, 2010 7:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

this is the kind of stuff i am talking about .


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Artis Aboltins




PostPosted: Fri 10 Sep, 2010 7:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, aside from a bit of a diference in handle design, those do not really look all that diferent from some of medieval eating/kitchen knives to me... but, of course, it is up to Nathan to decide what is apropriate, and what is not.
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Sep, 2010 9:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Those certainly are a lot prettier than my Hinckels. . . Happy
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Jean Thibodeau




PostPosted: Fri 10 Sep, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Artis Aboltins wrote:
Well, aside from a bit of a diference in handle design, those do not really look all that diferent from some of medieval eating/kitchen knives to me... but, of course, it is up to Nathan to decide what is apropriate, and what is not.


Owen, we can give our opinions and this is good since it tells you if there might be a market for them here why don't you just P.M. Nathan privately to get the O.K. or not from him.

The knives in the pic look really good. Big Grin Cool

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Sep, 2010 12:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Tod gave me a fatherly slap on the wrist last night saying same .

should have done that in the first place but it didn't cross my mind....

will do .

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Sep, 2010 2:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm a little concerned what other will follow with, as it opens a door...
but owen has enough historic stuff to post, and can throw in some links without taking up to much space with modern stuff right?
anyway, what I wanted to say is I don't think we should make up excuses to allow it, it should stand on it's own feet. they do not look historical, they are not made to look historical. they don't need arguments like "they are not some different" to sell.

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Sep, 2010 2:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

all of what i make is modern!!
with one or two specific exceptions coppied from origional pieces .
the swords and the daggers and the seax . all made now and all made to my asthetic ......which is heavily influences by studying the past and documenting pieces in museums .....
same with these really .
anyhow I have been given the Ok so will try my luck !

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Sep, 2010 3:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

yes, I agree, not my point.
I didn't really want to comment on what is made or posted or sold, , but what is said about it. You said its modern and thats cool. that makes it cool. in my morning grumpyness I commented on Artis comment " those do not really look all that different..." as if that was meant seriously, because my experience is some people get fooled by that, and I don't think thats right. I have no problem with the comment except as a answer to this particular question tho... no offence Artis, I get your point..

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Jean Thibodeau




PostPosted: Sun 12 Sep, 2010 12:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Owen Bush wrote:
this is the kind of stuff i am talking about .



Had a look at your site and the work is really impressive and I encourage others to go have a look. Cool

Checked out the kitchen knives and the prices for the quality of the work is very affordable.

Oh, and like you mention on your site the handles are natural materials and these shouldn't be thrown into a drawer to be damaged by contact with cheap cutlery in the junk drawer or tossed into a dish washing machine.

They should be cleaned and wiped dry and stored by themselves or in a knife block where the edges wont be in contact with other knives so that they will stay sharp.

Differentially hardened edge, shaving sharp and easy to re-sharpen carbon steel by anyone skilled at sharpening.

Doesn't hurt that they look so good. Wink Cool

Also looked at the swords and collaborations with Tod, WOW ! Cool

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Depending on what the materials used in the pattern welded "kitchen knives" are, I think a mention of the materials and some advise about maintenance may be appreciated. (This has been brought up in previous posts, but could be linked or re-explained so that you don't have customers that are surprised.) I pretty much carry pattern welded pocket knives for daily use, and gave some pattern welded kitchen choppers and utility knives to people as gifts. Most people like these materials once they understand how to take care of and re-etch it themselves.
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