Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Off-topic Talk > Cuirassier questions Reply to topic
This is a standard topic  
Author Message
Connor Lynch





Joined: 27 Jul 2010

Posts: 50

PostPosted: Tue 27 Jul, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Cuirassier questions         Reply with quote

Did cuirassiers always wear their burgonets with a falling buffe? Did the burgonet die out during the TYW because of the lobster tail helmet and one more thing was the burgonet used for infantry aswell because i know pikemen wore morions and musketeers wore normal hats but cuirassiers......and did the cuirassier replace the tradition knight?
View user's profile Send private message
Daniel Staberg




Location: Gothenburg/Sweden
Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Likes: 2 pages
Reading list: 2 books

Posts: 562

PostPosted: Wed 28 Jul, 2010 12:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Cuirassiers seldom wore burgonets at all, preserved cuirassier armours mostly have some sort of closed helmet with various forms of visors. If we look at the German Reiter armours which predated the cuirassier these often came with burgonets but seldom with falling buffe? That piece of armour is mostly associated with armours for lancers and even they did not use if all the time.

The Burgonet was already in decline well before the TYW due to being replaced with closed helmets among the cuirassiers while the lighter cavalry had always used various forms of the morion and cabacete. The introduction of the Zischägge aka "Hungarian Pot" was merely the last nail in a coffin that was alrady pretty much nailed shut.

Burgonets were a a part of infantry armours, particularly those made in Germany were they continued to be made as part of infantry harnesses into the 17th Century. Morions in both the Spanish, Italian and later Dutch forms were worn not only by the pikemen but by musketeers, calivermen and arquebusiers as well.


The traditonal knight had been replaced long before the cuirassiers appeared on the battlefield in the last years of the 16th Century. The knight was first replaced by the professional men-at-arms aka gendarme who foguth together with lighter lancers commonly called 'archers' (because they had started out armed with longbow but evolved into lancers)
The expense of mantaining fully equipped Gendarmes led to the creation of units of lighter lancers known variously as Demi-lancers, Cheavaux-leger and Caballos ligeros. Both these types of lancers in turn evolved into cuirassiers as they abandoned the use of the lance and instead relied on pistol & sword.

"There is nothing more hazardous than to venture a battle. One can lose it
by a thousand unforseen circumstances, even when one has thorougly taken all
precautions that the most perfect military skill allows for."
-Fieldmarshal Lennart Torstensson.
View user's profile Send private message
Connor Lynch





Joined: 27 Jul 2010

Posts: 50

PostPosted: Wed 28 Jul, 2010 9:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Im so confused most the cuirassier armor i see has a burgonet on it and most of the pikemen i see have morions what about musketeers i heard that they wore a lobster tail helmet under their hat for atleast a little of protection
View user's profile Send private message
Connor Lynch





Joined: 27 Jul 2010

Posts: 50

PostPosted: Wed 28 Jul, 2010 10:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

And one last thing everytime i go to the burgonet all the pictures of them are dated within the 16th and 17th centuries
View user's profile Send private message
Adam D. Kent-Isaac




Location: Indiana
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Reading list: 2 books

Spotlight topics: 1
Posts: 297

PostPosted: Wed 28 Jul, 2010 10:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Depends on what kind of burgonet we're talking about. In the heyday of the cuirassiers, which was around 1610 to 1630, you wouldn't see many "classical" type burgonets like the one below. You certainly wouldn't see many falling buffes.


What you would have seen a lot of were "close burgonets," a hybrid of the close helmet and the burgonet. Essentially, a fully enclosing helmet with a brim and a pivoting visor. The visor was sometimes barred, sometimes it would have vertical ventilation slits, sometimes it would have eye holes and a little smiley face (Savoyard), sometimes just very narrow eyeslits. The "munition" type tended to be cruder, like all of the armours in the Zeughaus.


Pastime With Good Company
View user's profile Send private message


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Off-topic Talk > Cuirassier questions
Page 1 of 1 Reply to topic
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2018 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum