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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Tue 29 Jun, 2010 5:45 pm    Post subject: New Hanwei Anglo - Saxon sword         Reply with quote

Do you guys think it's really twisted core with welded on edges? If it is this might be "affordable pattern welded blade" I'm looking for sooo long... I would probably give it different fittings if I buy it, it's only blade I need.

http://www.cashanwei.com/prod_Detail.aspx?ID=SH2436



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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jun, 2010 1:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I saved the pictures of the blade and zoomed a bit. It looks like it's really pattern welded. It looks like there are three damascene rods in the core and then welded on mono steel edges. I wonder what the thickness is on the blade. It's 3lb, that's a bit heavy but still acceptable. And I actually like beefy blades, I'm sure I will like this one. I just hope the weight is not in the fittings, I hate too heavy fittings.



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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jul, 2010 6:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nobody has any interest in this one, ha? Wink Btw, guy handled this one at the Blade Show and he said it's very point heavy, but the blade looks like it's really pattern welded with mono steel edges. Happy
I found the original they based this sword on:

http://www.yorkshiremuseum.org.uk/Page/ViewCo...ectionId=9
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jul, 2010 7:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hmmm, it's a bit more than what I'm willing to spend right at this moment, but it's certainly something I'd consider sometime down the road. I've always liked the Anglo-Saxon style pattern weld swords... something about the shape of the handle with its elegent curved guard and matching pommel (cocked hat? lobed?). Three pounds does seem a bit heavy for a one handed blade. Most of the ones I've looked at of similar size weighed in at about 2 1/3 to 2 1/2 pounds and featured a slightly more slender blade, but if it's got a beefy blade then that might be right. Also, most of the blades I've looked at have been monosteel blades shaped like Anglo-Saxon swords rather than true pattern welds. I'm not sure if that would make a difference, but I certain imagine it could.

Bottom line, it's a beautiful sword and certainly one that I would consider buying just for the sake of having a decent pattern weld sword.
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jul, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm sure that real price at various vendors will be much less than Hanwei's MSRP... Godfred i also about $600 on Hanwei's site and it's $350 at Kult of Athena.
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jul, 2010 10:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

OOOH Eek!
Im glad you pointed this out! I really like this style of sword and have always wanted one. This might have to go on my "to buy" list.

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jul, 2010 10:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Why is the fuller not going under the hilt?
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jul, 2010 10:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's a hell of a lot better than Godfred. The length is about right as well.
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jul, 2010 11:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In my opinion the scabbard looks quite strange ^^
Is it that difficult/expensive to be more accurate (historically)?

Ich dien.
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jul, 2010 4:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

the weight and blade length are kind of a disappointment, though not unexpected. I would prefer something about 1/2-1 lb lighter with a blade about 3-4 inches lighter.
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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jul, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Felix R. wrote:
Why is the fuller not going under the hilt?


Good question. But it doesn't really bother me.
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jul, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ok- have to say it,

That's really not a very attractive blade. The hilt looks garish and bulky as well.
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jul, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jeremy V. Krause wrote:
That's really not a very attractive blade. The hilt looks garish and bulky as well.

I agree.
Joel Chesser wrote:
The weight and blade length are kind of a disappointment, though not unexpected.

I agree.
Richard Martell wrote:
In my opinion the scabbard looks quite strange.

I agree.
Felix R. wrote:
Why is the fuller not going under the hilt?

Good question.

I think your hard earned $350 to $600 could be spent in a better fashion.

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Jul, 2010 3:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, it could, but it is the only pattern welded blade for less than a $1000 or more. So I am ready to give it a bit of customization just to have a functional pattern welded blade...
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PostPosted: Sat 03 Jul, 2010 5:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Is it just me or does that sword have a toy-like appearance to anyone else?

Pattern welded blade or not I think its a bit of a retrograde step in terms of blade design compared to the Tinker/Hanwei pieces they have been releasing recently. It looks thick and the fuller terminating before the guard is big a turn off for me I'm afraid.

Of course it might look better in hand than those pictures suggest but at the moment I'm not keen on it.

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Jul, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:
Yes, it could, but it is the only pattern welded blade for less than a $1000 or more. So I am ready to give it a bit of customization just to have a functional pattern welded blade...


That's cool- go for it- I would be curious to see how you improve the appearance of this sword.

I do think it may not be the best investment, but go for it!!
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jul, 2010 4:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jeremy V. Krause wrote:
Luka Borscak wrote:
Yes, it could, but it is the only pattern welded blade for less than a $1000 or more. So I am ready to give it a bit of customization just to have a functional pattern welded blade...


That's cool- go for it- I would be curious to see how you improve the appearance of this sword.

I do think it may not be the best investment, but go for it!!


I don't know if it would be smart to play with the blade much but knowing Hanwei, it would probably need better polish, at least in the non patterned edge parts, and maybe even complete nice polish with new etching of the pattern after that. New hilt is completely obligatory... And a nice late migration era or early viking age hilt would go well with this blade... And it would cost me maybe $50-$80 to get a nice locally made hilt... Scabbard isn't really important to me but I guess I could get one that would fit with the new hilt... Any other suggestions? Just not much grinding of a blade, I would be afraid the temper or something would be messed up... I like the "beefiness" of the blade so I wouldn't want too much grinding anyway. The base of the blade could maybe be covered with new crossguard to the begging of the fuller... All this would not be very expensive at the local knife, sword and gun maker and would make this sword much prettier I think. That's why I said only the blade and it's functionality is really important to me, all other can be easily fixed...
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jul, 2010 7:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Felix R. wrote:
Why is the fuller not going under the hilt?


Isn't it strange that pattern welding doesn't continue after the fuller?

My suspicion is that this be not a real pattern welding but just an acid etched imitation.

I would spend my very scarce cash on a safer bet.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jul, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bruno Giordan wrote:
Felix R. wrote:
Why is the fuller not going under the hilt?


Isn't it strange that pattern welding doesn't continue after the fuller?

My suspicion is that this be not a real pattern welding but just an acid etched imitation.

I would spend my very scarce cash on a safer bet.


It's not that strange. Pattern most usually must be revealed with etching. And the rods might not be twisted at the base so the pattern is not really easy to see... One guy who is a vendor for Hanwei said it does look like real pattern welding in person.
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jul, 2010 5:43 pm    Post subject: Hanwei's new pattern welded offering         Reply with quote

Browsing around reliks.com led me to this http://reliks.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=4726. If hanwei's godfred is any indication this is just a pretty wall-hanger. the heat treating on that blade was usually horrendous and the blade geometry was a little off but it was still a beautiful piece. The blade on this offering might be better now that hanwei has a new factory and the blade looks very attractive. The pommel in my opinion looks awful. The overbuilt section where the tang appears to be peened seems very out of place and two bulky. it also appears to be on piece rather than two ( but at this price point it is quite understandable). What are your thoughts?


here is the sword it is based on http://www.google.ca/images?um=1&hl=en&am...rch+images , note the completely different blade geometry.


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