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Do you want one or maybe own one?
Yes, yes I do.
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Nope, I don't.
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Maybe, one day.
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Sam Gordon Campbell




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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 3:43 am    Post subject: Oakeshott Type C/D Pommel Examples, Anyone Got Some?         Reply with quote

Howdy,

If those Brazil-nutters can have their thread, we can have this one! Laughing Out Loud
Well just like it says in the title, I'm eager to find either pictorial, reproductions or better yet archaeological examples of this type of pommel, and I guess the accompanying sword so it doesn't get lonely.
I've only got this picture of a guy with one, and I know of Albions Ritter (though feel free to post 'em), so I'm lacking in that regard.
And I guess a nice follow up question is do you own one or want one, and what is it you like about them?
To answer my own question: Yes I do want one, and I like how powerful and compact they look. Cool



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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 5:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

For reference, here are the types under discussion.

Type C:



Type D:


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 5:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

From Dan Howard's article "Mail: Unchained". I believe this image dates from the 13th C.

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 6:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

One for sale from Hermann Historica (from the myArmoury Photo Albums):

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 7:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for clearing that up Chad Big Grin
Craig, Ah fantastic! Those are greatly helpfull!

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 7:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's one from a private collection. It's date to circa 1250.


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 8:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
Here's one from a private collection. It's date to circa 1250.

Would that be you own private collection perhaps? Laughing Out Loud
Man if I had the money for pieces like this, I'd lend them to a museam stat.
Merci again Chad; where do you fine lot manage to dig these up from!? I struggled to get one poorly rendered manuscript picture!

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Sam Gordon Campbell wrote:

Would that be you own private collection perhaps? Laughing Out Loud
Man if I had the money for pieces like this, I'd lend them to a museam stat.
Merci again Chad; where do you fine lot manage to dig these up from!? I struggled to get one poorly rendered manuscript picture!


My collection? I wish. Happy It comes from my collection of books, if that counts for anything. That piece was published in a Peter Finer catalogue a few years ago. Peter Finer is a UK-based dealer of high-end antique arms and armour.

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 9:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, I'm a brazil nutty at heart but I do love this style pommel as well. I'm posting 2 examples that may be a bit off the beaten path. One has a thin type XI blade which I've not seen many examples of with this type of pommel. I own Albion's Ritter and have just aquired another sword of this style. It's a reproduction of the second sword that Craig posted. I haven't recieved it yet but will start a thread on it when I do. Nice to see the odd pommel types get a bit of press!


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 9:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's a sword from the Deutsches Historisches Museum in Berlin. It's the inspiration for Albion's Ritter.


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 9:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's a few that may lean more towards style E but transitional enough that I think they're relevant.


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
My collection? I wish. Happy

Don't we all Laughing Out Loud
Cheers again Chad, I'm saving them as fast as people post them!
And Tim, all odd pommels and things need more press, one can only handle so many type G,J,K's before one grows a tad weary. Those Type E's look pretty swell as well. And you'd better start a thread when it arrives!

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 2:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sam Gordon Campbell wrote:
Chad Arnow wrote:
My collection? I wish. Happy

Don't we all Laughing Out Loud
Cheers again Chad, I'm saving them as fast as people post them!
And Tim, all odd pommels and things need more press, one can only handle so many type G,J,K's before one grows a tad weary. Those Type E's look pretty swell as well. And you'd better start a thread when it arrives!


Agreed about type G,J,K's! They're nice, but just too common! As soon as I get my new one there will be a thread! Here's a preview pic that the maker sent me.... I can't wait until it shows up!



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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 4:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks neat Tim, I can't wait to see the full thing in all its glory. Is the scabbard suspension based on that of Jean d'Alluye?
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jun, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dan Dickinson wrote:
Looks neat Tim, I can't wait to see the full thing in all its glory. Is the scabbard suspension based on that of Jean d'Alluye?
Thanks,
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Ask me again when I put up the full set of pics, I don't want to hijack this thread.

Found a shot of one of the swords Chad put up but from a different angle. Here it is.... It has a friend to it's left.



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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jun, 2010 10:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Reproduction by Fulvio Del Tin

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jun, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Cheers Craig.
Hm, you can see the differences between the the Del Tin and the archaeological examples can't you?
Not bad though. But that grip pattern looks a tad modern to my tastes Laughing Out Loud

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jun, 2010 1:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Another one of that type. This one was taken at Schloss Neuenburg in Freyburg/Unstrut which used to be the biggest stronghold of the Landgrafen von Thüringen. They also owned the Wartburg near Eisenach.
http://www.schloss-neuenburg.de/English-Site.html



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