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Gabriele Becattini





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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jun, 2010 2:23 pm    Post subject: Pictorial source for Henry VIII period soldier         Reply with quote

i would like to know if there's any good pictorial source shoving soldiers from the Henry VIII period,

i already have the osprey book "Henry VIII army" and i'm familiar with most of the pictorial source showed inside the book

but i have nor been able to find any other source, i'm particularly interested in having some good drwings depicting

soldiers from the late period of his reign so from 1530s onward

thanks for help
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jun, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'd start with this myArmoury article and expand out from there.
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Glennan Carnie




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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gabriele,

Good luck with this one!

There's not a lot of information on the Henrician armies of the 1530's. There is also little interest by arms and armour fans in this period.

I'm just finishing a late Henrician archer's kit. I spent over a year researching extant clothing, armour, weapons, etc. and I've still got a paltry number of sources.

One of my favourite sources (although a little later than your period of interest) are the Cowdrey engravings. Some of these are replicated (in small scale) in the Osprey book. Dominic Fontana has some great images of the Cowdrey engravings on his website:

http://www.dominicfontana.co.uk/

Here are some images from the British Library:





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Gabriele Becattini





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PostPosted: Sat 05 Jun, 2010 1:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Scott- thank you for the imput, the arcticle is very good even if i'm looking mainly for pictorial as i know the subject fairly well

Glennan- you are my new hero! i have searched for this series of drawings for a lot of time! please if you ,can tell me where i can find it and if there are more, i believe that the complete series include also some depiction of heavy cavalry,
or at least it should considering that is the same source from where Angus McBride has taken inspiration for the illustration of the osprey volume. I would love also to see your kit, as i'm planning to do the same! depiction of archer especially from the french expedition of the 1540s are so scarce that i have never been able to find a decent one,
please if you don't mind i really would love to share your knowledge about the subject.
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jun, 2010 2:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Glennan Carnie wrote:





Very interesting polearm. Has anyone ever seen something like this in a museum or gallery?

(or, in other words, can someone show me a "real" one, rather than one in artwork?)

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Glennan Carnie




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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jun, 2010 3:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gabriele Becattini wrote:
Scott- thank you for the imput, the arcticle is very good even if i'm looking mainly for pictorial as i know the subject fairly well

Glennan- you are my new hero! i have searched for this series of drawings for a lot of time! please if you ,can tell me where i can find it and if there are more, i believe that the complete series include also some depiction of heavy cavalry,
or at least it should considering that is the same source from where Angus McBride has taken inspiration for the illustration of the osprey volume. I would love also to see your kit, as i'm planning to do the same! depiction of archer especially from the french expedition of the 1540s are so scarce that i have never been able to find a decent one,
please if you don't mind i really would love to share your knowledge about the subject.


Gabriele,

I can't remember where I got those images from! I should really keep better track of my sources.

If you look carefully at the Cowdrey engravings there are plenty of archers; but you can't really see them clearly enough to make out details of armour, etc.

My kit is all soft kit - no harness - for the moment. I'll post some pictures on the 'show us your kit' thread when it's finished (which should be in the next couple of weeks).
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PostPosted: Mon 26 Aug, 2013 1:48 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I know this is a million years old but I'm working on some tudor stuff.


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PostPosted: Mon 26 Aug, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

from Códice de Trajes, ca. 1529


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PostPosted: Mon 26 Aug, 2013 1:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

See, also, the paintings on the embarkation of Henry VIII at Dover and the Field of the Cloth of Gold.

Weapons of Warre has some very helpful notes and images as well.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Aug, 2013 2:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hal Siegel wrote:
Glennan Carnie wrote:





Very interesting polearm. Has anyone ever seen something like this in a museum or gallery?

(or, in other words, can someone show me a "real" one, rather than one in artwork?)


Yes sir, I have seen some very similar stuff in the Wallace collection in London. They have some other pole arms that are also incredible.
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Aug, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Google "partisan spear" to find many examples. Large spears have many names in this period. Some were for fighting, but the broad blade lends itself to decoration. That one is decoratively etched, so this image probably depicts a bodyguard or other high-status officer. The rich decoration, fine clothes, tudor rose on the breast, gilt sword hilt and gilt etching of the spear suggest this as well.

Henry VIII ordered a large number of distinctive, very large Italian spears with sockets that extend into the lanceolate blades. Etched with his Tudor rose, these were used by his own guards.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Aug, 2013 7:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The contemporary 1536 Marozzo partisan makes an interesting comparison.

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Sep, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Some 1513 Henrican tudory goodness.


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PostPosted: Sun 01 Sep, 2013 12:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark, your kits are really very nice!

looking at the pictures from the british library i'm wondering if simple hilts with quillons and knuckle bow without side rings or finger rings are accurately depicted,

the general quality of the drawings is good so i do not think that the artist has semplified the design,

but i have never seen a real sword with such a hilt configuration
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Sep, 2013 12:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes I would think you would see alot of simple swords with soldiers.

something like this? Kingdoms had huge contracts for weapons from all over the world.

http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=...ntry+Sword
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Sep, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not pictorial and I can't offer any references but is it worth looking at the Mary Rose material?
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Sep, 2013 4:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Painted flames on one of my helmets today.


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Sep, 2013 5:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

More henrican fun. working on a latter arquebuser.


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Sep, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mark,

That Almain rivet-esk set up is kick arse.

And that soft-kit. Whoa, mate. I always thought about doing some 16th-17th c. stuff but didn't like the "Renfaire" look that it sometimes gets. Boy was I wrong! Now I've got an excuse to set up a kit to practice George Silver in!

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Sep, 2013 6:13 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Fantastic kits, Mark! Truly inspiring, especially in the oft-overlooked area of clothing and accessories.
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