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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 9:08 am    Post subject: A few Del Tin swords         Reply with quote

Hello people! I'm going to order a bare Del Tin blade and I would appreciate if any of you have experience with the swords that have blades I like. I already have some Del Tins and I'm aware of their compromises and I don't need suggestions of other companies, just experience with these:

http://www.deltin.net/2158.htm
http://www.deltin.net/5157.htm
http://www.deltin.net/2163.htm
http://www.deltin.net/5167.htm
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I already handled the first two so I would like to here more about 2163, 5167 and 5161.
It seems that 5161 exists in two versions, bigger and smaller. Does anyone know what is the current version?
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 9:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Those are all such very, very swords. It's hard to compare them. What are you planning to make with it? The end goal will define what raw materials are appropriate for your project.
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 10:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

hey Luka,


one you don't have on the list and we've talked about it before is the smaller version on the 5157 , the 5155 I have...its' certainly well having a good look at.

here is the review on SBG I did on it


http://www.sword-buyers-guide.com/del-tin.html


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 10:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello,

Where can you order Deltin bare blades?
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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 3:25 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nathan Robinson wrote:
Those are all such very, very swords. It's hard to compare them. What are you planning to make with it? The end goal will define what raw materials are appropriate for your project.


I would get fittings done locally in Croatia, probably similar to original ones, maybe some differences, but I'm doing that, not buying the whole sword because it's much cheaper that way. Maybe even half the normal price here in Croatia. And even if the style of fittings would be different they would be as close weight as possible so that balance would remain close to original. So I wonder how these swords handle with original Del Tin fittings. At least the ones I didn't handle.
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

William Goodwin wrote:
hey Luka,


one you don't have on the list and we've talked about it before is the smaller version on the 5157 , the 5155 I have...its' certainly well having a good look at.

here is the review on SBG I did on it


http://www.sword-buyers-guide.com/del-tin.html


cheers,

Bill


Yes, I did considered the version you have but I think it wouldn't fare well as backyard cutter and that is quite important to me... But if sharpened properly, who knows...
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 3:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Antal László wrote:
Hello,

Where can you order Deltin bare blades?


My local sword dealer here in Croatia orders both complete swords and bare blades from Del Tin.
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have a DT 2143 and it's the sweetest swinging blade I've ever held.

http://www.deltin.it/2143.htm

I mean SWEET!

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 4:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Did you cut with it?
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Bjorn Hellqvist has this on his website that is worth checking out: http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/kat_data_utr.htm

I used to own a 2158. I liked it very much visually, but it was not the best sword. It imparted a fair amount of vibration to the hands when it struck something.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 5:52 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I own this the 5167 and I love it. However, it's not a longsword, it's a Spada da due mani. However, if that's the type of weapon you're looking for (i.e. the 'Zweihander' -- abeit, a relatively "short" one), you can't go wrong with this one.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, I'm aware that this is a short two hander and I like this as I like two handed swords but I'm rather short, shorter then some of the DT swords. Wink So, you say this one handles well? Did you cut with it?
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 6:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
Bjorn Hellqvist has this on his website that is worth checking out: http://bjorn.foxtail.nu/kat_data_utr.htm

I used to own a 2158. I liked it very much visually, but it was not the best sword. It imparted a fair amount of vibration to the hands when it struck something.


Sorry to hear about 2158, I was rather impressed with it's handling when I saw it in the shop and seriously considered it...
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:
Yes, I'm aware that this is a short two hander and I like this as I like two handed swords but I'm rather short, shorter then some of the DT swords. Wink So, you say this one handles well? Did you cut with it?

My version isn't sharpened as I use it for drilling (Solo and Partner drills). I like the way it handles and the balance; it has a sturdy blade and moves well for a sword that size. However, if it was sharp, I have no doubts as to its cutting capabilies.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luka Borscak wrote:

Sorry to hear about 2158, I was rather impressed with it's handling when I saw it in the shop and seriously considered it...


My knowledge of this sword is more than 10 years old, so mileage may vary. It's possible they've updated the model. And clad it different fittings, it might be fine. I always liked how it felt in dry handling, but the limited cutting I did with it was unimpressive.

For reference, Del Tin's version of this sword is a simplified version of a sword found in Armi Bianche Italiane. The blade is the biggest difference, IIRC. It's missing the flukes the original had.

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Here is my review on the 5161:

http://sbgswordforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?...e=1#144574

It's not a bad sword, it's big yet very well balanced - seeming much lighter than it is. It was a great deal when I bought it for $359 last year before the price hike, however, I don't know how I feel about it for $489. There are other swords out there which are better for the money. $500 is a huge chunk toward a new ATrim or gently used Albion these days - either of which would be a far better cutter IMHO. Happy

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 8:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I felt the 5157 a long time ago...the blade is pretty quick on that one...but it was heavier then I thought it would be.
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have a 2163, though it is an older version made with Krupp CK 55 carbon steel. Obviously, its a looong blade, but it seems to have just the right mix of flex and rigidity for blade of its proportions (solid in the cut, a little flexy in the parry). The langlets help quite a bit with the flex, so if you're mounting your own blade, don't forget them.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jun, 2010 7:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is a hard decision. I thought about what I would do with the blade I got and I figured that 5157 would probably get fittings earlier than DT version, maybe something like Black Prince or Brescian Spadona, or maybe even A&A English two handed sword. 2158 would probably get something very similar to original DT fittings, 2163 would keep the claymore style fittings with some minor modifications, for 5167 I'm not sure but something appropriate for 16th century fighting two hander, in German style, and 5161 would get something similar like the original, maybe just shorter bowtie cross, s curved. The problem is I don't have money for more than 1 blade. Sad And 5167 is quite a bit more expensive blade because of parrying hooks and fullers...
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jun, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I am not saying its a bad sword but of all of the production "two hand claymores" readily available I have tried them all and would put the 2163 at the bottom of the list. I would suggest contacting Armour Class since you are in Europe....

I have to echo Chad's comment and would suggest looking at Bjorn's data on harmonics. I have handled several bigger DT's that just did not seem harmonically balanced (e.g. 2158)

If you were interested in a big wide cutting sword of a more 15th or 16th c style, I have always liked the DT5152. It could take many different hilt styles. Its a cutting sword though, not a thrusting sword. tr

ps - I am always interested in well made type 8 crosses given my period of interest so would be interested in a new source for a few.
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