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Ushio Kawana




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PostPosted: Mon 17 May, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject: I have very simple question. There is something...         Reply with quote

Hi Happy

I have very simple question.
There is something which just before the spearhead of the lance.

What is this? Question



thanks Happy

I'm interested in Medieval Arms and Armor.
But... My English is very poor ><;
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PostPosted: Mon 17 May, 2010 7:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In the sixteenth century knights and some landsknecht tied foxtails to their lances and pikes, supposedly they have some 'magical' significance warding off wounds or something. But I don't know if they are used for some more practical purpose.
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PostPosted: Mon 17 May, 2010 9:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The one on the far right almost looks like a blunt. The two first one's I'm pretty sure are doughnuts for the long march.


All jokes aside, those are bizarre.

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PostPosted: Tue 18 May, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The image from Tallhoffer (Thott 290, 1459AD) depicts a complicated "inexstinguishable torch". It's not lance just the torch has a form of a ball on the long stick. It's not alight on the picture.

I cannot copy/paste trancryption and translation of this page. Its copyright protected.

You can check it here http://www.thearma.org/Fight-Earnestly.htm downloading full file from the link at the bottom of the page. Then check page 341, 45v (continues on page 342) for full translation.

The other one can be fox tails, can be doughnuts. I've no idea WTF?!
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PostPosted: Tue 18 May, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here's the most famous example (Dürer's "Knight, Death and The Devil"):


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PostPosted: Tue 18 May, 2010 1:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Geez... That's an awesome picture, Sean! Imagine the work that went into that...

Just something about the fox-tails magically warding off wounds... It sure didn't work for the fox, did it? Sad

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PostPosted: Wed 19 May, 2010 3:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

They could have the added advantage of preventing blood from running down the haft...heard that someplace and have no idea as to its veracity, but it's as reasonable an explanation as magical protection.

Or we could go with my professional opinion: "dunno, must be of ritual significance".
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PostPosted: Sat 22 May, 2010 12:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you for your answer. Happy

Mr. Jakub Biblis wrote:
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The image from Tallhoffer (Thott 290, 1459AD) depicts a complicated "inexstinguishable torch". It's not lance just the torch has a form of a ball on the long stick. It's not alight on the picture.

You can check it here http://www.thearma.org/Fight-Earnestly.htm downloading full file from the link at the bottom of the page. Then check page 341, 45v (continues on page 342) for full translation.

Thanks. I understood it. Happy

Mr. Nathan Johnson and Mr. Johann wrote:
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In the sixteenth century knights and some landsknecht tied foxtails to their lances and pikes, supposedly they have some 'magical' significance warding off wounds or something. But I don't know if they are used for some more practical purpose.

They could have the added advantage of preventing blood from running down the haft...heard that someplace and have no idea as to its veracity, but it's as reasonable an explanation as magical protection.

I knew about "foxtail" for the first time. Happy
I looked for the source, but it was not found... Sad

p.s.
"Fox" is called "kitsune" in Japan.
There are many old tales that "a fox uses magic" in Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune

I'm interested in Medieval Arms and Armor.
But... My English is very poor ><;
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PostPosted: Sun 23 May, 2010 2:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

i heard once that the chinese attached bits of colored cloth to the end of their spears as a distraction. don't know if thats actually why, but it would make sense both in that and this instance.
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PostPosted: Sun 23 May, 2010 12:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It looks good! Thats my explanation.
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Ushio Kawana




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PostPosted: Sun 30 May, 2010 7:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Happy

Nathan Johnson wrote:
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In the sixteenth century knights and some landsknecht tied foxtails to their lances and pikes, supposedly they have some 'magical' significance warding off wounds or something. But I don't know if they are used for some more practical purpose


I foud same things from "OSPREY MEN-AT-ARMS-58 THE LANDSKNECHTS".
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p10
Adopting the customs of the mounted knight, the Landsknecht would sometimes tie a fox's brush or animal's tail to the top of the pike, because of an alleged magic healing property and the power of protection.

I'm interested in Medieval Arms and Armor.
But... My English is very poor ><;
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