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Percival Koehl




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PostPosted: Sun 28 Mar, 2010 11:33 am    Post subject: Arms-manufacturing companies that make and sell wasters?         Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know whether there are any arms-manufacturing companies that make and sell wasters? Recommendations would be much appreciated. I'm interested in buying one or two for swordplay practice. I haven't got a much of clue about woodworking, let alone swordsmithing, so I can't make one myself. Thus, I'm reckoning that it would be best to get one a manufacturer who also make actual metal swords in order to make a waster as equivalently balanced and proportioned as a metal counterpart.

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Percy

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Sander Marechal




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PostPosted: Sun 28 Mar, 2010 12:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There are several companies that specialise in making wasters. Personally I prefer plastic/nylon wasters over wooden wasters. Nylon wasters are a little more flexible. They don't bounce as much when they hit another waster which is good for some techniques. It's a matter of preference though.

Whatever you do, just don't mix wooden and plastic wasters! Wooden wasters are great against other wooden wasters but you can quickly destroy them against plastic wasters.
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Mark T




PostPosted: Sun 28 Mar, 2010 1:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Percival,

For wooden wasters, check out Purpleheart Armoury: http://www.woodenswords.com/

For nylon, check out the new Knight Shop / Dave Rawlings range - overview, reviews, and links are in this thread: http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98895

And then there are good training blunts by Albion, A&A, VA, and Hanwei.
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Timo Nieminen




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PostPosted: Sun 28 Mar, 2010 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Arms-manufacturing companies that make and sell wasters?         Reply with quote

Percival Koehl wrote:
Thus, I'm reckoning that it would be best to get one a manufacturer who also make actual metal swords in order to make a waster as equivalently balanced and proportioned as a metal counterpart.


A number of swordmakers also make metal blunts, equivalently balanced and proportioned as sharp or sharpenable swords, but less common to see wasters on the list. Why get a metalworker to make a specialised wooden or plastic item? There are good wasters to be had from specialist manufacturers; they don't need to make swords, they need to have handled real examples, to know about their use (and it can be said that not all sword manufacturers have this knowledge).

The only case of wasters and swords coming from the same source is Cold Steel, who do polypropylene wasters as well as steel swords. But these come from different factories. They're a knife company, and have been accused of making swords that are more like sharp crowbars than swords, and this was apparently the case with their early katana, but their swords I've handled seem OK.

I mention them at length because they do a "matched" sword and waster, their hand-and-a-half. Same length (and proportions, depending on definition), but far from the same balance. Their waster is tip-heavy. It's also much lighter than a steel sword (about 800 or 850g if I recall correctly), so I don't think this matters that much. Even if it was balanced like steel, it wouldn't handle like steel. (Easy to see why steel blunts are available!)

The "poor" balance of the CS hand-and-half waster does make it harder work to use in training. Is it bad if training is hard work? It might be pleasant, but I think it's less than optimal, to always train with the "perfect" sword.
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Bryce Felperin




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PostPosted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 10:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Personally, I prefer New Stirling Arms for my wasters.

http://www.newstirlingarms.com/shop/

Personally I prefer wood over nylon, though I have handled both and their performance is close.
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