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Luka Borscak




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PostPosted: Mon 22 Mar, 2010 11:43 am    Post subject: Bronze, iron age and roman stuff from Zagreb museum         Reply with quote





























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PostPosted: Mon 22 Mar, 2010 2:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for showing us these pictures, I added this museum now to my "to go to" list
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Nice I must in Zahreb when :-). At one picture is Krtenovicer Axe I have one piece in hand.
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WOW that is awesome. I might be doing seven weeks of student teaching in Zagreb next year at this time. I have heard that there are more museums in Zagreb then in any other European city. I will have to be seeing these in person if I make it there. The one gladii reminds me of the one that Valiant just release a couple months ago. Thanks for posting
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 5:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luke Zechman wrote:
WOW that is awesome. I might be doing seven weeks of student teaching in Zagreb next year at this time. I have heard that there are more museums in Zagreb then in any other European city. I will have to be seeing these in person if I make it there. The one gladii reminds me of the one that Valiant just release a couple months ago. Thanks for posting


Let me know when you come and we can go to some of these museums. Right now they are preparing a medieval collection for display. I saw it behind one curtain and there are some nice viking/norman era swords...
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: Bronze, iron age and roman stuff from Zagreb museum         Reply with quote

Oh great!

Luka Borscak wrote:

I know most types of bronze age knives knives from Europe, but I've never seen these before. Do you have a date on these? (I'd guess LBA 900-700BC, but that's just guessing). They look like bronze ancestors of the crooked knives.

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This looks like the "machete saxes" which Peter Johnson posted earlier. Is this one 7nd century AD as well?

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Nice example of a scabbard mouth filling the omega cut-out at the hilt end. I've suspected that at least in some swords the scabbard would follow the omega, but this is the first good evidence of this AFAIK.

Great stuff at least, it gives me a view in an area I didn't have much information from yet. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 9:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Amazing artefacts! Thanks for showing us this.
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Luka Borscak wrote:


Is that Lamellar I see there at the bottom? Leather or metal? And found where geographically?

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Jeroen, I was in a hurry so I couldn't take photos of plates with dates. I will next time and I will post them than.

Johan, I noticed that piece only when I watched photos at home. It looks to me like lamellar butt I will have to check it next week...
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 2:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luca,

Thank you for showing these. I now know I want to visit Zagreb!

It is great seeing the Sisak blade. Beautiful reinforced point and interesting cross section. Just what I hoped it would be, and more Happy
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010 2:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There's a lot of amazing craftsmanship there still showing through the decay. Thanks for sharing them!
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Mar, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: Re: Bronze, iron age and roman stuff from Zagreb museum         Reply with quote

Jeroen Zuiderwijk wrote:

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Nice example of a scabbard mouth filling the omega cut-out at the hilt end. I've suspected that at least in some swords the scabbard would follow the omega, but this is the first good evidence of this AFAIK.

Great stuff at least, it gives me a view in an area I didn't have much information from yet. Thanks!


Yes, very interesting picture! I wonder why it's two piece though... Maybe the other piece would fit around the centre of the scabbard? Also the holes in the scabbard fittings are a bit puzzling...
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PostPosted: Sun 28 Mar, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Which museum is it exactly?
I've been in the museum of archaeology and the ethnography museum in Zagreb last year but I've only seen 2 bronze age helmets.

Lucas
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Mar, 2010 5:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's this one: http://www.amz.hr/home.aspx
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Apr, 2010 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Bronze, iron age and roman stuff from Zagreb museum         Reply with quote

Jeroen Zuiderwijk wrote:
Oh great!

Luka Borscak wrote:

I know most types of bronze age knives knives from Europe, but I've never seen these before. Do you have a date on these? (I'd guess LBA 900-700BC, but that's just guessing). They look like bronze ancestors of the crooked knives.

Quote:

This looks like the "machete saxes" which Peter Johnson posted earlier. Is this one 7nd century AD as well?

Quote:

Nice example of a scabbard mouth filling the omega cut-out at the hilt end. I've suspected that at least in some swords the scabbard would follow the omega, but this is the first good evidence of this AFAIK.

Great stuff at least, it gives me a view in an area I didn't have much information from yet. Thanks!


Jeroen, I went to the museum again. Bronze "kukris" are very broadly dated to late bronze age, 11th to 8th centruy BC. "Sax" is late La Tene, 1st century BC. Or so they say...
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Apr, 2010 3:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here are some new pictures, Roman cavalry mask from second/third century and lamellar dated the same. It doesn't say but it looks metal, I'm just not sure what metal. It may be bronze. It says it's found in Sotin, and that is as far as I know in Slavonia, near to Vukovar (all that in Croatia of course).





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